Well Waney will sort your defence out, which looks hopeless,

Because whether you rate the players or not they are to a man ‘better’ than the opposition today but they looked second best in every department, there is no way that team should be losing to a part time team, this to me suggests the issues run far deeper, it’s OK blaming Sinfield but he did say when he returned the issues are far greater than he thought, this will not be fixed within this season or next IMO.

As it happens it will be for the best that were not in the cup but my worry is todays loss could knock any small sense of morale they had out of them.

How they respond win or lose on Thursday is absolutely vital and will tell us alot about this group of players

I don’t want Wane full time but maybe getting him in to put a rocket up their s until the end of the year may have some merit

I do not believe he could. Not with this squad.

This squad hasn't got the heart or mental strength to be Coached by wane.

Player power at Leeds?

I generally find this an unusual idea. Player deliberately get coach sacked by playing poorly and in turn threatening their own careers! I don’t buy that. It’s simply the case that they are not good enough.

If you look at our team today then look at the bradford team we should be winning that game, the players we have are good enough to beat a part time Championship side, theres far more to it than just the players aren’t good enough.

We have international players in that team, take Trent Merrin, he is a former Kangaroo and NSW player he is good enough

Yep correct. We need the right man in charge to get things moving in the right direction along with astute transfer business

Except Bradford aren't - squad includes 22 FT players

They had part time players playing today

players on marquee money who simply aren't worth it. Discord across the camp looking from the outside in.

Merrin looks like he wants to go home to me. His mrs is always posting on social media about wanting to go home which is understandable given the tragic events.

I like Merrin both as a player and a bloke but if he wants to go home then let him, ise the money he’s on on an organising half back instead, that is probably our biggest need at the moment.

Salford are desparate for Cash could we tempt them to sell Hastings this season rather than let him go for free at the end of the season?

Completely agree. They'd start crying if Wane was our gaffer. Think they'd down tools quicker than they did with Furner.

Could be a good call

You do need an organising half but above all you need a proper pack leader who demands a performance from his team mates. I usually ignore most of what Peacock says but he spoke before the game about leaders who's job it is to hold their teammates accountable for their performances. I don't see anyone in that pack with any kind of aura about them. No one who leads from the front and drags the rest of the side along with them. There are decent players in the team, but the team spirit seems very poor. No one prepared to really dig deep for the cause. Bradford showed what you can do on raw determination. That's what you need to get right first.

We have 10 fulltime players.

What's happened to the Merrin family?

Merrin was meant to be that man

Not his family, his partners mum passed away unexpectedly recently

Perhaps he was, but he's not doing it. Look at how easily he was rattled by James Green. He's played for the Kangaroos ffs.

He has played well enough when I have seen him. But you need a Jamie Peacock, a James Graham, a Sam Burgess, a Gareth Ellis.

What did Ricky Stuart say the other week about Bateman? Some players try to win, others have to win (something like that anyway). No one in your side looked like they had to win today.

Is this an old Wire thread?

Not every great player makes a great director.
He's out of his depth.

In the past we have relied on flare players playing off the cuff and expansive rugby. It’s exciting to watch, however we don’t have flare players now.
Wanes style of football is structured and boring. But it gives everybody a clear role meaning below average players can over achieve. Whenever Wigan were hit with an injury crises, a youngster would step in to the system and do his job with little impact to the team.

Seeing as we are a team full of below average players, maybe we need a boring structured style of play to get us through this period until we can get rid of below average players and replace with the right quality of player.

One thing for sure, he’d tighten up the defence which I don’t think I’ve ever seen worse that the last couple of weeks.