I'm a Roby man myself.

The reason our players don't get the individual recognition though is because we share the workload and are a good team.

That said, McGuire has been head and shoulders above any other Leeds player this year playing predominantly at 7. He's the best scrum half in SL IMO and I have started a few threads about that this season. I'm happy others are now seeing this

Condemn him forever why don't you ? Lock him up and throw away the key.

On CURRENT form he is the best we've got in SL.

Man of Steel has now been downgraded IMO. It's nothing more than a glorified popularity contest these days.

Lets say next season the three best players are Jamie Peacock, Willie Mason after a great year at Hull KR and Leon Pryce. Just who do we think might win that?

Are you for real!



He has been far and away the best half-back in SL this year by a long way. Tomkins is a great player but as tvoc states, he still needs some work and more importantly he has played most of the season at FB and that is exactly where I would play him for England with Danny first choice 6/7. That combination really does excite me with Danny at one of the half's & Tomkins at FB. The other half for me is still very up much up for grabs but if Eastmond is able to look the part again in the last few games, then that would be my call.

Lets face it Wellen's is past it at international level, he lack of pace at that level was so obvious and such a problem for England last year. Danny, Tomkins & Eastmond (if he shows form) in the starting 13 is the way to go!

James Graham.

I don't get it, every time Leeds have been on their butts, Sinfield has muscled up and hauled them back into it by their bootlaces. He's moved about the pitch barking orders like a crazy person , complimenting Buderus all the way. He's been tackling like a machine, marshalling the forwards, launching backs all over the place, has picked up some of JJB's workload on the donkey work, and has an almost "Botica-esque" kicking accuracy.

And yet still, "Man of Steel", Danny Macguire? Talk about Leeds fans missing the point.

Would you like to read the thread again mate, you are normally very observant, but know one other than Marcel did actual say Danny M for MOS. I think Pat Richards but I was just responding to the comment by another poster about Danny in general.

I think you were harsh and you are the one missing the point...

He's played the last 6 games at FB cos Amos isn't fit. He's a work in progress at FB, but imo is the best 6 in the league still. Mcguire has been good this year, but i'd rather stick with the combination of Tomkins/Eastmond/Widdop, or use Myler if Widdop doesn't play. I'd like to think they'd start building the team now that could be together for a few years yet.

I suspect Pat Richards will win it and probably deservedly so.

It is galling that a team that has set such standards has had no individual recognition but I'd certainly rather have the three consecutive titles (and hopefully four) than any individual awards.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that I agree with marcel. McGuire has certainly been Leeds' best player this season, followed by JP and Sinfield.

Pat Richards will probably win it and he would be a deserved winner. Roby is also a credible candidate (more so than the season he won it IMO). The players vote for it ATEOTD and it's a question of who do they respect and fear playing against? McGuire does have a knack for making crucial plays at crucial times. He'll be there or thereabouts.

And I'm sure the opinions of the players will be the same.

Some players step up at international level, others don't.

On current INTERNATIONAL form Tomkins is the best we've got, followed closely by Eastmond. Those two have performed well enough to have earned their opportunities for an extended run and stake their claim as current halfback incumbents for England. They should both be ahead of McGuire in the pecking order right now.

McGuire has had plenty of opportunities at international level and he's performed poorly over a significant period of time. Should Tomkins or Eastmond perform as poorly as McGuire has done at international level over a similar period of time, I'd expect them to be replaced too. And if that should happen, McGuire may warrant further opportunities.

Correct.

In Leeds case, the team (whole) is greater than the sum of it's parts.

We will never have a MOS in leeds colours it's not allowed if they could take our Grand finals off us they would, If and I know it's a big if we went on to take this years grand final none of the Sy commentators (Barry mac excepted) would accept we had been the best team this century. I'm not paranoid but that dosn't mean they are not out to us

England have just taken a punt on Gareth Widdop at fullback and I'm more than happy to see fresh talent given it's opportunity. So let's ditch Widdop at fullback in order to accommodate Sam Tomkins there instead, just so that one of your favourite Leeds Rhinos players can be accommodated at halfback, despite his wretched international performances over a lengthy period of time? That would make absolutely no sense to anyone blessed with a rational mindset.

Personally, I don't think McGuire was poor in the World Cup. As I recall he was the only attacking player who really troubled the Kiwis in the semi-final. It was Leon Pryce who went missing at stand-off in that competition. At the moment McGuire has to be in consideration. Let's just be grateful that we actually have some decisions to make in the halves for a change!

Indeed.

IMO Richards should get it but he wont. Like when Trent Barrett should have got it the other year but didnt, didnt roby get it instead?

Cunningham will get it with it being his last season and him never winning it.

I love how after only 3 or 4 games for England against decent opposition Tomkins is suddenly the best 6 we've had in decades. If I'm honest I don't think he's as good as Harris or McGuire at the same age. Tomkins has still got a lot to prove IMO and hasn't shown anything to justify automatic selection yet.

McGuire has had a number of good games for GB/England, he's had some poor ones too but so has everyone else who's played for GB/England for the last 40 years. He was outstanding in his first Tri Nations in 2004, and has been effective coming off the bench at scrum half aswell, and was one of the few players to show up in the 2008 world cup.

He was very poor last time out at the DW but, I don't see how you can right him off. He's approaching his peak FFS and he's been as good as any other HB in the SL this year.

Really Keith, you sure know your onions.
In the real world however Danny McGuire was one of the few who had an excellent World Cup. Even the Aussie Media (including Phil Gould) praised his performances.

That's who my money would be on.

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V PNG - played just 23 mins off the bench, did nothing of note.

V AUS - played 46 mins off the bench, did nothing of note apart from make 8 tackles, of which 2 were missed tackles, made 1 error and conceded 1 penalty for a spear tackle resulting in 2 points for Australia. Poor McGuire kick straight into the hands of Billy Slater in 63rd minute and Slater scores length of the field try.

V NZ (Group Stage) - did not play.

V NZ (Semi Final) - played 80 mins, scored 2 tries, but was largely at fault for the conceding of 4 tries. 18th minute, a McGuire turnstile attempt at a tackle in the lead up to Lance Hohaia burrowing over for a Kiwi try. 56th minute, McGuire knocks on, Bronson Harrison try for NZ from the resultant Kiwi next set of six. 68th minute, McGuire drops a Nathan Fien kick behind his own tryline, Gardner follows up McGuire's comedy routine in defence by failing to collect the ball and nutmegging himself, and Jerome Ropati touches down for NZ. 78th minute, Jerome Ropati outside loose pass flies into McGuire's hands and he fails to grasp the ball handing Benji Marshall a simple score in the corner. Game Over.

Keith, theres no point trying to debate with numpties like yourself. Your either a man of very limited intelligence or McGuire must of ran your cat over or stolen your girlfriend or something equally heinous.

This is my favourite... it is all McGuire fault that after a kick that Slater takes on the full he is then allowed to go full length of the field to score. What were the other 12 blokes on the field doing at the time and what lets them off the hook for the score?

Slater caught a ball on the full......shock horror.