Half this side need to be gone. No heart - you can defend lack of skill but you can't defend lack of heart

Sinfield said he would be watching to see who would stand up to be counted.

Peacock put it out there - some players in this team don't like defending.

Have Leeds ever fielded two centres of such abject quality?

On today's game these guys need to be gone:
Moon
Ferres
Sutcliffe
Parcell
Cuthbertson
Handley
JJB, Ablett & Delaney have had their day

Big clear out of the conditioning staff also required

Should be an interesting off season

Just given handley a new contract. So will need to go out on loan

He saw BMM running at him and he his pants and waved him goodbye as he ran past

Just tell him he wont be picked regardless and he is free to find another club.

Hahaha.

Knee. Jerk.

THis is a side that couldn't even make the top 8 in the weakest SL since its inception

We'll win it next year.

Not with this squad or anything like it. We need at least 5 starters and 3-4 bench or squad players. This is a championship squad, let’s hope they are not playing in the championship next year...

The championship

Need a cul similar to whwn wigan put 70 past us in s semi final, and offiah scored 10, think only 4-5 players survived that.
Its that bad.

Who's gona replace all these players you want out?

Better ones



Seriously, hopefully a coach for Sinfield to work under is already in the pipeline. We may still have to endure a tough year next year but hopefully by then the dead wood is cast adrift and some much needed quality added.

On the contrary. I’d say this is the strongest SL since it’s inception. Which is why you don’t have to be far off the pace to get a hammering.

We must agree to differ - the quality of player on show is at an all time low so is the quality.

Leeds need a signficant change in personnel across the club - something Sinfield has alluded to

I get what you are saying in terms of the closeness of more teams, but the overall quality is ridiculously poor. For Leeds to be in with a shout of top 8 for so long whilst playing so badly tells you all you need to know. The quality has dumbed down massively over the last 10 years.

I don’t believe the quality is lower at all, it’s just a different game. The quality of defences has improved massively over the last 10 years for instance.

I think many people are mistaking boring to watch for low quality.

If the 2007 Leeds team were to play the 2017 Leeds team all I could see would be 20+ point win for the 2017 version.

That’s not dismissive of 2007 or the past, just an illustration of how the game evolves. Line speed, tackle technique etc have all massively improved and so the time on the ball is hugely reduced.

The challenge for the sport in my opinion is to find a way to make the game better to watch and to open it up as defences are now stifling.

Easy to say get rid of players but if contracted players don't want to leave how you going to do it? It's impossible.

Whoever is out of contract can pretty much go for me now. Players like Delaney, JJB and Ablett can go but as previous poster said who are we going to replace them with. It has to be with quality or no point.

I agree the game needs to find a better balance between attack and defence, but I don't believe that there has been an increase in quality from the top sides in either in the last 10 years. I'd say that the top sides have become weaker, and most of the other teams have caught up a bit, so there is a levelling of the competition, but the best Leeds or Saints teams or even Bradford teams of SL would wipe the floor with any of the current teams in SL.

What were the scores today - I would suggest the defences of Leeds and Saints were anything but on top.


The Leeds side of 2004 would wipe the floor with this lot - I even think the 1998 version would give them a real run for their money.

that 98 side would smash this side all over the park

So who should be going at the end of this season?

Moon
Hall
Keinhorst
Ablett
Delaney
JJB
Golding
Walters
Ferres?
Sutcliffe?
Handley?

We're crying out for some grunt/hard work in the forwards. JP's comments were absolutely bang on, too many of our forwards are afraid to get hurt. What chance does Myler and the outside backs have when the pack continually get totally smashed.

At the very least we need a winger, a quality centre - a half back that can control the game and kick goals, 2 quality backrow forwards, a back up hooker if Parcell is on his way - he seems already on the plane and a couple of serious props - Crosby could be one of them.

The concern for me is yet again we don't appear to have any quality coming through the youth development outside of those we have seen

I know you can’t keep everyone but you let Mulhearn go and he’s turned out to be a gem