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| Which areas are the biggest priority to fix up?
It's unrealistic to try to sort all the problems in one off season, so the highest priority has to be an all rounder in the centre of the park, someone who can direct the team but take the defence on as well (Yeah, I know, wishful thinking) and Hooker. The backline is fine. The pack needs more mobility but the higher priority is hooker and halfback.
Obviously with the position we are in I guess it's hard for management to be planning for next season.
It'd be nice as well If we could get a good new coach in, someone to set foundations in place for a new start, with an assistant groomed under him. Like Wigan with Maguire.
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| I wouldnt be surprised if most of our backline will be gone by next year. Watkins and Hardaker want out to the NRL and Hall wants to move to RU, So three starting players in the backs will be needed. None of the current youngsters bar Keinhorst are anywhere near the quality we need for a starting position, particularly Golding who is a bit of a liability and gets thrown around like a rag doll. We also desperately need an organising half back and quality hooker and an enforcer in the pack. Theres no way on earth that Hetherington will shell out for even a quarter of the players the squad desperately needs as all the finances are going into the stand. He made his priorities regarding the club crystal clear in his everythings fine email where the team was bottom of the list of priorities
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| A half back, preferably an experienced organiser, and a hooker are both critical.
I think we are ok elsewhere but that is subject to whom may move on in the meantime and could change in the coming weeks.
We have a generally good squad imo, wholesale changes are not necessarily required, the biggest factor for how we go next year will be on the coaching side of things and how that is dealt with in the meantime rather than playing personnel.
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| Hall to RU ? said who ??
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| Quote ="marathonman"Hall to RU ? said who ??'"
It's as certain as both Watkins and Hardaker going to the NRL ...just because the latter has been mentioned more often than this latest 'beaut' it doesn't make it any less likely. Nowt more than the latest in a whole host of rumours
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| Quote ="marathonman"Hall to RU ? said who ??'"
Some bloke in the pub.....his cousin's girlfriend's father lives next door to Hall's grandmother's best friend who was told whilst they were at the bingo one night,
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| Im confident we'll be in SL next year but the first part of the required surgery has to start off the field imo.
New HC New AC New DC with those assist Coaching a Reserve grade & a new Conditioning dept.
I hope we get a seperate Acadamy director/Coach of the u19's as well.
On the field a 9 is a must as is a HB & a damaging BR.
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| Until we know who is leaving its impossible to say what we need. The only one we know is definately leaving at the moment is Achurch. Think its nailed on Falloon will go but thats not confirmed.
As a previous poster said, we dont need much once the 10 players who were out last week return so theres no need to panic buy. We dont need a total rebuild we just need bodies back.
A top quality 9 is a priority and a quality experienced half back too would b where i would think we should be looking. I dont see Lilley as the answer to either of those positions.
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| Hooker is the only absolute must. The issue there is probably Burrow, because if we want a genuinely decent player Burrow will have to go back to the bench. If we were being brutal I'd let Burrow go, not because of what he brings to hooker but the defensive chaos and reorganisation that playing him off the bench entails.
I genuinely think its hard to tell where else we're poor because its right across the field right now, and a lot of players are performing well below their capabilities.
The problem with the 'experienced half back' option is who exactly? There aren't many attractive options in the NRL from what I can see, and the last thing we need is to get stuck with an average player for three years just because they were available.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Hooker is the only absolute must. The issue there is probably Burrow, because if we want a genuinely decent player Burrow will have to go back to the bench. If we were being brutal I'd let Burrow go, not because of what he brings to hooker but the defensive chaos and reorganisation that playing him off the bench entails.
I genuinely think its hard to tell where else we're poor because its right across the field right now, and a lot of players are performing well below their capabilities.
The problem with the 'experienced half back' option is who exactly? There aren't many attractive options in the NRL from what I can see, and the last thing we need is to get stuck with an average player for three years just because they were available.'"
Hooker is priority number 1, imo we should try get Aiton back if possible, or someone else who is SL proven
All the halves have look poor including Mcguire who was probably the best 7 in SL last year, it is hard to judge them on the poor platform they are getting 90% of the time
If we can get Gale (out of contract at the end of the year iirc) then get him, send Lilly on loan for a year and play him with Mcguire if back in form, or Sutcliffe who would suit playing with someone who takes more responsibility
If we cant then assess Mcguire and Lilly and Sutcliffe at the end of the year, if at least 2 of them dont start looking a lot better then maybe we have to bite the bullet and get some old or second rate Aussie, hopefully only short term
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Hooker is the only absolute must. The issue there is probably Burrow, because if we want a genuinely decent player Burrow will have to go back to the bench. If we were being brutal I'd let Burrow go.'"
Problem is, if he goes and the new hooker gets injured where does that leave you? So realistically as well as a new hooker you'd have to bring someone else into the squad who can provide cover at 9.
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| Luke Gale and a hooker. Forget about losing any of the back line. They are all on long term contracts
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| Printer - I agree. Its such a key position, and given that your hooker is supposed to defend up the middle, also one where you have to have a reasonable third choice available if needs be. Its one reason why I personally wouldn't mind someone like Luke Briscoe being kept on, as he provides a lot of utility value. You can also make a case for saying the club shouldn't have let Robbie Ward go until/unless the next junior was ready. I suspect the answer is that they thought Lilley could fill in, as they tried him there at the back end of last season.
In any event the balance of the squad needs looking at, particularly if we're light on in terms of quality juniors. When everyone's fit we seem to have a lot of average forwards again.
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| Someone who can coach the middle lads to take someone's legs. A decent hooker who can defend the middle is also required
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| We need a Hooker now not next year. Falloon although injured did nothing when he played !
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Problem is, if he goes and the new hooker gets injured where does that leave you? So realistically as well as a new hooker you'd have to bring someone else into the squad who can provide cover at 9.'"
We didn't have Burrow last week, or a proper hooker, but we looked better as an organsised defence than we have. So not so sure on that.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"We didn't have Burrow last week, or a proper hooker, but we looked better as an organsised defence than we have. So not so sure on that.'"
Helped that we weren't trying to hide McGuire, Burrow and Lilley at the same time, so we could have entire starting pack defending in the middle with a centre, half and winger on either side. Enabled us to get numbers in the tackle and control the collision, which gives time for the rest of the defence to get set and organised.
Still not sure how anyone at the club thought Hallas was going to be big enough to make it as a prop though. Amazed it's taken until half way through his third year in the Academy before he's been tried elsewhere.
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| Blake Green from Melbourne Storm is what we need plus a hooker who can distribute and tackle.
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| I think we'll go for Clarke at hooker but we desperately need an organising half back, preferably one whose vocal and can be the leader on the pitch were missing. Sutcliife isnt a half back but i think would go well at loose with stevie ward in the second row. Ward tackling is badly missed, He hits hard and rarely gets broken. Just hope he comes back form injury the same player. I hope this season doesnt do too much damage to Lilley. Ordinarily a run in the first team so young pays dividends later on but playing in this beaten side may do more harm than good.
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| How many of the golden generation remaining - McGuire, Burrow and JJB - now wish they had opted to retire with Sinfield and Peacock? A big black cloud on their careers if Leeds go down this season.
I'm not convinced that either McGuire or Burrow should be considered essential in the current circumstances. The problem of making too many wholesale changes in one go seems to be much less of a risk than keeping the status quo, which is pretty terrifying. Even if we stay up, we look set for at least one, probably two, transitional seasons before we're capable of challenging the top 4 again.
At what point does Kallum Watkins stop being an automatic selection? Some of his defence of late has been appalling for an elite player. At least he is young enough to be part of something again if/when things get better.
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| Quote ="Exeter Rhino"How many of the golden generation remaining - McGuire, Burrow and JJB - now wish they had opted to retire with Sinfield and Peacock? A big black cloud on their careers if Leeds go down this season.
I'm not convinced that either McGuire or Burrow should be considered essential in the current circumstances. The problem of making too many wholesale changes in one go seems to be much less of a risk than keeping the status quo, which is pretty terrifying. Even if we stay up, we look set for at least one, probably two, transitional seasons before we're capable of challenging the top 4 again.
At what point does Kallum Watkins stop being an automatic selection? Some of his defence of late has been appalling for an elite player. At least he is young enough to be part of something again if/when things get better.'"
JJB is finished. I love the guy, and he's shown amazing strength of will to come back from his last injury, but his legs aren't there and he's gone at this level.
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| Quote ="rhino phil"I think we'll go for Clarke at hooker but we desperately need an organising half back, preferably one whose vocal and can be the leader on the pitch were missing. Sutcliife isnt a half back but i think would go well at loose with stevie ward in the second row. Ward tackling is badly missed, He hits hard and rarely gets broken. Just hope he comes back form injury the same player. I hope this season doesnt do too much damage to Lilley. Ordinarily a run in the first team so young pays dividends later on but playing in this beaten side may do more harm than good.'"
Assuming you're referring to Daryl Clarke what possible reason would you have for thinking that he would leave Warrington?
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| Quote ="Asgardian13"Assuming you're referring to Daryl Clarke what possible reason would you have for thinking that he would leave Warrington?'"
I would tend to agree - especially if Warrington deliver on their undoubted potential this year.
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| Quote ="Homer Simpson"We need a Hooker now not next year. Falloon although injured did nothing when he played !'"
Falloon is not injured! The club have discovered he is absolute garbage and it is better to hide him behind an injury cloak than admit they made a horrendous decision in bringing him over. FACT
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| Quote ="leedsnsouths"
If we can get Gale (out of contract at the end of the year iirc) then get him'"
Nope, he is contracted till the end of 2017.
Doesn't mean we won't sell him for a few quid though.
The thing is - why would Luke Gale want to leave a club coached by a trio of half backs and who develop players so well in this position? Look what's happened to other other so-called star halves who have been excellent at Cas and moved on to be dross elsewhere.
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