Is it time to sacrifice something to stop the bleeding?
Can't see where our next win is coming from on current performances,been going on since start of season.fans are sick of hearing GH and McDermott saying mood in camp is good.is McDermott turging into the Arsene wenger of super league and can do no wrong in the boards eyes.dont like to see anyone lose there job but no-one bigger than the club surely?

I don't really see what's to be gained by sacking the manager now. Maybe next year we could do with a shake up and some fresh ideas but to sack him now who is avalable who you would actually want? And it's not as if we have a great assistant waiting in the wings to take over. The current situation is not all Macs fault

We have no one to step in if he did go, that is the extent of his power building. Unfortunately results will get worse has he stays, but no other option. He should definitely be out fir next year.

On the playing front, Hetherington should have backed his coach and let Burrow go as a player. Watching last night, you couldn't help but think how he is effecting the team further as not a team player to fight in with what we need. Would like to see as stated previously McDermot just concentrate on first team, and appoint Burrow as head of youth on the same level as McDermott, not reporting to him.

Can't blame McDermott for everything,but he runs the team his way,got to question the transfer policy of Leeds,should have replaced outgoing legends with players of equal ability,not too worried about 1-5 as I think they'll be ok,but Galloway looks out of his depth and his fitness levels are shocking,can't last more than 10 mins,too much expected of sutcliffe don't think he's got the mental strength to deal with that position,Delaney always gives 100% but is becoming a injury liability,desperately need leadership not just in middle of park,but throughout the team leading by example willing to go that extra mile.some of that leadership has to come from McDermott,can't expect 15-18000 loyal fans week In Week out to put up with these performances.everyone knew it would be a tough transition but the recent performances suggest maybe the problem is more deep routed.

Don't really see the Wenger analogy as we won the treble last season, Wenger hasn't won a title for well over a decade.

If we are using football, this year is more like Chelsea's demise if anything.

Cheap options as usual from GH. Sinfield=sutcliffe peacock=Galloway Kylie=mullally Aiton=falloon. Enough said!

Agree that burrow should not have had a contract extension,had his time,been a great servant to the club,but time to move on,can't really see McGuire lasting much longer,should have gone for someone like widdop to replace sinfield,but obviously a player like that is going to cost and that's not GH way,buy cheap buy twice.with the amount of money generated in our club,signings should be a lot more ambitious.

Both.

Replacing either of Sinfield or Peacock was always going to be tough. Finding a half back of that quality is almost impossible. I genuinely think GH thought this year would be Sinfield's last and his move to RU was a shock. Add to that Sutcliffe being injured and the 2 year planned transition was no more. We cannot produce half backs here and very few top halves ever come here - Carney is an exception and he would not have been available to Leeds anyway. Gidley would have been an ideal stop gap but Leeds weren't at the races where that was concerned.

Where GH should have done better is getting a hooker - Falloon is poor - we needed a serious player to organise and move the team around.

On the props Galloway should be better than he is showing but Garbutt should never have been signed he helped a tired side at the end of last season but he isnt even SL standard.

The most worrying thing of all is the lack of quality kids knocking on the door for selection. As the person responsible for all the coaching and development McDermott needs to brought to task on this. For this alone a change is required to the structure and the personnel within the coaching set up and that starts at the top

Guys... you are all assuming that BMcD actually does something and would need replacing.

All we need is someone to do the post match interviews and play with an inflated rubber glove at half time.

I think it's becoming more and more obvious that Sinfield/JP had a much bigger influence on the squad than even Mc.D himself stated when he highlighted how much they did in training/changing room and game by game management.
Personally i always thought this stage of the transition would be huge and the biggest yet previously we managed to evolve as a team despite not replacing stars on a like for like basis i.e Senior ,Ali ,Webb etc but at the same time we still had that core of strength/Leadership as the heartbeat of the squad.
Now we've lost that ,the players left behind have been exposed to not having that guidance nor that natural leadership to step in and fill the gaps.
Whatever the varying reasons of how we arrived at this point and granted there are many i do feel it's time for some fresh voices/ideas off the pitch and also a squad review which imo should see some departures and better quality recruited i think now would be perfect timing because the new Staff could settle in without any pressure to make the top 4 (not happening imo) & lay the foundations for 2017 going forward rather than starting cold in November.
Coaches leave Clubs all the time and its rare in RL they last over 3/4 yrs i thank Mc.D and his staff but imo the time for change has arrived
and i hope GH gets it right.

a mate who is a rhino's season ticket holder mentioned the rumour going round headingley friday nite was tony smith coming bk to coach you ???!!!!

No chance - he is going to Catalans if other rumours are true?

With the current situation at the Rhinos, the rumours will come thick and fast and eventually one of them might be true. But I can't see it being this one.

I thought Smith was going to HKR?

I'm sorry but I can't let you get away with this one.....Garbutt was rightly praised by many for his positive beefing up of the pack last season....and without a doubt was (and is) SL standard. Certainly he is of this season's SL standards: unquestionably.

How can you reconcile 'should never have been signed' with 'helped a tired side at the end of last season' ? Surely for that factor alone it was a 'very good, prudent signing' (as indeed most said at the time)?
Without the signing of Garbutt it would have been very much less likely Leeds would have won the treble ..or maybe indeed any silverware. As you say Garbutt came at the exact right time for a team that was on its knees in the forwards and sinking. How you can then go on to say he should not have been signed is a little contradictarily bizarre.

Garbutt isn't SL standard is a ridiculous statement. He was superb for the second half of last year and as Nantwich says, was probably the reason we were able to pull off the treble.He isn't playing to that level right now but quite frankly, who is?

Always though Brian Mac was massively overrated as a coach - how long until there's an SOS call to Sinfield?

Sal Paradise in "talking utter cr@p" shocker!

new coach never rated mc dermott anybody could have taken over leeds with the team that was in place and players coming through i think lowes had more idea

You can have James Lowes, please, take him!

Garbutt played a few games against tired opposition that didn't know his game. He was fresh given his lack of activity prior to coming here.

Now everything is on a level playing field his impact is non-existent. Can anyone on here seriously say he is having anymore impact than Galloway? No he isn't and his true quality is there for all to see.

Leeds needed a fresh pair of legs - it didn't matter than much who they were - it was the fresh pair of legs that made the difference not Garbutt.

The idea that he was the difference in winning the treble is ridiculous - comparing his impact to that of Ali is frankly laughable.

Sal nobody is making an impact it is why we are where we are.

And i never mentioned Ali so i don't know why you mentioned him.

Cuthbertson is making an impact - he has really stood out in a poor side so has Ferres - we are where we because the squad isn't good enough partly because it has too many poor overseas players - Garbutt being one of them.

I never said you mentioned Ali - most agree he was the difference in 2004 - you are suggesting Garbutt was the difference in 2015. I merely suggesting Garrett's influence was not that significant by giving you a near identical instance that really did make a huge impact.