Given Moon only narrowly missed out on Saints, would assume he'll be fit. JJB out with a torn bicep. Aiton & Achurch unsure on yet.

1. Zak Hardaker
20. Tom Briscoe
3. Kallum Watkins
4. Joel Moon
5. Ryan Hall
13. Kevin Sinfield
6. Danny McGuire
23. Brad Singleton
9. Paul Aiton (or 7. Rob Burrow)
10. Jamie Peacock
12. Carl Ablett
19. Mitch Achurch (or 18. Chris Clarkson)
15. Brett Delaney

7. Rob Burrow (or 26. Liam Sutcliffe)
16. Ryan Bailey
17. Ian Kirke
18. Chris Clarkson (or 14. Stevie Ward)

After yesterdays performance play your U16s and you'll still win.

Delaney was finished in that game Friday night. Very ineffective going forward because of it. He might well need yet another rest.

Its the cup, so obviously we should be going all out and playing our best available team.

We then have just a 5 day turnaround to play Wakey at home in the league on the friday.I would be looking at a bit of rotation for this one.

With it being the Cup I can't seen anything but full strength. More likely any rests will be the following week against the same opposition at home.

Delaney and JJB seem to be constantly picking up/carrying knocks in most games we play since the back end of last year.

If they are not right then we should allow them the time to get right for the back end of the year. Recall Sutcliffe and move Ward back in the forwards, problem solved for the time being.

only player I suggested resting was Kylie, who if he is to play, should bench instead of Kirke.

Wakey at home in the league I'd be looking for:

2. Ben Jones-Bishop
20. Tom Briscoe
3. Kallum Watkins
4. Joel Moon
5. Ryan Hall
21. Liam Sutcliffe
1. Zak Hardaker
23. Brad Singleton
9. Paul Aiton
16. Ryan Bailey
19. Mitch Achurch
18. Chris Clarkson
14. Stevie Ward

7. Rob Burrow
17. Ian Kirke
26. Elliott Minchella
27. Rob Mulhern

Hardaker
Briscoe
Watkins
Moon
Hall
Sinfield
Burrow
JP
Aiton
Singleton
Ablett
Achurch
Sutcliffe

Kylie
Bailey (if still not on the sh##t list)
Ward
Minchella

Delaney looked to be carrying a knock ,jjb is injured and imo Kirke & Clarkson should only be bit part squad players if not released.

Hardaker
BJB
Watkins
Moon
Briscoe
Sutcliffe
Sinfield
Kylie
Aiton
JP
Achurch
Ablett
Ward

Subs
Burrow
Singleton
Kirke
Minchella

Hardaker
Briscoe Watkins Moon Hall
Sinfield Sutcliffe
Singleton Aiton Peacock
Ward Ablett
Delaney

Burrow Leuluai Achurch Clarkson

Assuming Moon is fit.
Cup game:
1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
6. Sinfield
7. McGuire
8. Leuluai
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
11. Delaney
12. Ablett
13. Ward

14. Burrow
15. Bailey
16. Kirke
17. Singleton

For the following league game:

1. Hardaker
2. Jones-Bishop
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Briscoe
6. McGuire
7. Burrow
8. Leuluai
9. Aiton
10. Singleton
11. Ablett
12. Clarkson
13. Ward

14. Sutcliffe
15. Achurch
16. Bailey
17. Kirke

Wouldn't have ward in either team. Not playing well enough. Sutcliffe offers more and he is carrying a shoulder injury again. Yes he is young and hopefully will come good but he is being played out of position and in poor form won't do anything for his game

True, but I think most of his poor form is due to playing at centre. Admittedly he didn't shine before then but I'd still have him in the team at LF where I think he's more suited to than at centre.

You sure about not shining? His introduction changed the momentum of the game against Warrington. He had a great game at Catalans, and another good game at Huddersfield.

Fans are so fickle, and that is not aimed at you Him.

I'd agree with Ward's performance at centre being out of sorts but IIRC last Friday was only the second time he'd filled that role at a senior level. Ward is a LF all day long - his poor showing this past couple of weeks has as much to do with the coach as it has to do with Ward himself.

Personally don't think you lose anything replacing ward with sutcliffe. And as I said my main reason for dropping ward would be to give him a few weeks off. Only 20 had two serious shoulder injuries and against London at one point I saw him tackled and couldn't put any pressure through his shoulder to push himself back up. He is only 20 no reason to not give him a few weeks off, especially as we have sutcliffe back. Would also be dropping Delaney potentially as he doesn't look fit at the moment

So just to clarify a critisism of ward is fickle but a critique of hall is fair game. Just so we know if we are being fickle or not.

Is it the same? A criticism of Hall was his defence only, and it was based on four years worth. A criticism of Ward is based on playing out of position and over two games only. Wouldn't you agree there is a difference? and yes I would call that fickle.

I remember clearly when Ablett was played at centre at the start also, and the same complaints were labelled on him also. Funny enough I would bet if I looked back, those same posters back then are declaring Ablett the best left centre now.

The thing is Ward hasn't really been that bad at centre, and his performance at Saints was much better than the one at London. But the fact is he isn't a centre and is only doing a job for the team. Rightly or wrongly that is the coaches call, not the players. Had he been in his natural role then he would be doing a better job than the players currently there, and he deserves that opportunity before labelling him not good enough.

By the way Ferdy, I wasn't having a dig at you personally. You are not the only one with that viewpoint.

I don't think he was "great" in any game so far this season but that's not a criticism of him at all. In the games before playing at centre I think he was perfectly fine (maybe the term "not shined" was a tad harsh) and whilst I don't think he's been as bad at centre as some people do (and certainly not the reason for our defeat) I think his instincts are all wrong at centre at the moment. Again not a criticism of him.
I'm not one who normally knocks the coach whoever they are, because I usually think he knows an awful lot more about the game and certainly about his players than we do and that usually the players on the pitch have more of an impact on the game than a coach does, but I can't understand playing Ward at centre when there's Briscoe, Jones-Bishop, Hardaker and Ablett who would seem more suited to the role.

I understand Ferdy's viewpoint and if Ward is struggling with his shoulder then obviously give him a rest, but I'm assuming he's fully fit and in that case I think he needs game time in a more natural position than centre.

1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. Moon
5. Hall
6. McGuire
7. Sinfield
8. Kylie
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
11. Ward
12. Ablett
13. Sutcliffe

Subs
Burrow, singleton, Delaney, bailey

Bang on but expect burrow to start

1. Hardaker
2. Briscoe
3. Watkins
4. BJB
5. Hall
6. Moon
7. Burrow
8. Kylie
9. Aiton
10. Peacock
11. Ward
12. Ablett
13. Sinfield

Subs
Sutcliffe, Singleton, Delaney, Bailey

Let's have a bit of pace and guile at half back.... Instead of concrete boots and predictability. BJB deserves a stating place.

Wouldn't actually mind that. I've been one in the past I admit to say to people why bother listing Sinfield at Loose but that's when we lessened his tackling in 2011 & '12 to reduce his defensive workload to save him. This year he's averaging 28.....he might as well be back at loose if he's doing those numbers even with a proper hooker now getting decent minutes.

Moon I wouldn't mind there, I don't actually dislike him, he just isn't a centre offensively (defensively he does a good job there). His running style which frustrates me as a centre would be fine a position or two further in from the touch line (if he was a bit bigger he could do a job as a offloading, carrying the ball in one hand interchange 2nd row like we haven't seen since Lautiiti, except he doesn't look like he could run straight and punch holes if need be so ruled that out).

Moon actually started out as a stand off I think, and has played a few NRL games at 6, but I think the chances of him playing 6 under the current regime are very slim.

I would play Aiton at 9, Burrow at 7, Mags at 6 and Sinfield at 13. We need Moon back but if he is still not fit I would go with BJB or Sutcliffe in the centre. If Moon is fit we could rotate the wingers to give BJB a game.