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Until the most recent split from GB into england and Wales he has a point. A lot of England games have been effectively GB reserves playing at the same time as the actual test team. The problem is that there have been occasions - world cups - where England has been the main team. Having said that, its a bit subjective to identify some england games as more important than others, so I reckon counting all the caps is probably the only sensible thing to do.

Until the most recent split from GB into england and Wales he has a point. A lot of England games have been effectively GB reserves playing at the same time as the actual test team. The problem is that there have been occasions - world cups - where England has been the main team. Having said that, its a bit subjective to identify some england games as more important than others, so I reckon counting all the caps is probably the only sensible thing to do.

He's right, the RFL PR and/or Sky Sports and/or any other media who pick up the press release are wrong but the RFL arsing about with stuff to serve their own nonsense is hardly new is it ?

If he'd have looked after himself better during his career we'd probably be talking about whether anyone will ever get close to Schoey's record. He'd have far more than 49 caps.

Yes, he's bitter and yes, he's right.
The trouble with Schoey is that because he comes over so bitter so much of the time, it seems like sour grapes even when he's got a case.

Shame 'cos he remains one of my favourite all time players and he certainly did some amazing stuff for both club and country.

When I saw the thread title I got all excited thinking it was to be about a new real ale from the Leeds Brewery.

I think the RFL with this appearance records thing I think they are trying to get the international game going and making it more in the public eye,but Schoey is coming across as bitter.I mean you wont get Lewis Jones questioning Sinny's right to the club points scoring record if and when he breaks it

I find that hard to believe. He's got friends?

I don't understand his issue - the only that should matter to him is how many times he played for GB - what any other player did/does is irrelevant.

Typical of an individual in a team sport - more interested in his own stats. One stat still remains we haven't beaten the Aussies in a series for over 40 years and that includes the time when Schofield played and that is the only stat that should matter in a team sport

It's hard, very hard, to ever feel sorry for this bloke.

I see 'Schoey the rugby playing legend' and 'Schoey the bloke' as 2 seperate people.

couldn't have said it better myself schoey the player was one of the very best players of his or any other generation

schoey the bloke is a grade A bellend

He could be right on this one, but I don't care (and I don't think many others will either).

Bitter little man with crap fashion sense.

... and for those that think he's right - you're wrong.

Garry Schofield has made 49 GB+England appearances.
If Adrian Morley plays tomorrow he will have made 50 GB+England appearances - thus beating Schofield.

End of story.

Difficult to form a view IMO without first seeing the comparitive lists that make up the respective 49s.

There are always anomolies in record keeping. I was interested to read the other day that Darren Lockyer's International record total doesn't include his appearances in the '97 Australian SL tour over here.

I imagine Morley's total will include some from those same matches as IIRC he played in all 3 Tests and prompted Murray to enquire of Hetherington 'who does he play for' and was mightily relieved to hear it was 'us'.

Don't tell Schofield.

I thought you didn't have a problem with that? When it came to Buderus you were happy watching his individual brilliance even if the team wasn't so great?

Schoey was one of the all time greats for Leeds, GB and even in the Australian comp. To criticise him because his teams achieved very little is very hypocritical and shows you were trying to defend nothing more than a man crush on Buderus rather than rationally viewing his level of performances.

Cannot argue with this

I'm pretty cool with the fact that Moz will surpass both Garry Schofield and Mick Sullivan's combined representative record if he plays tomorrow

Although i would love to see a breakdown of each of the players representative career and to see in which games each player earned their respective international caps before giving a final judgement

I'm pretty sure, although not certain, that Moz has played all of his representative career and in this country's elite sides fixtures each season whether that be for GB or England. We have had an England back up side in some guise but i don't think that Moz ever played for them

In the case of the old fashioned GB tours down under, did the mid week games against rep sides in Australia, New Zealand and Papua New Guinea actually count as caps?

Regarding Garry Schofield the player
IMO he along with Ellery Hanley are the finest 2 players that we have produced in my lifetime, both would walk into any International side of any era that they played in

I'm no authority but I'd be fairly confident to say no to that. Only matches played V the recognised Test teams would count towards the GB totals of Mick Sullivan and Garry Schofield.

(There again I've just read that Mick Sullivan played twice V France (1954) before they were granted Test match status in 1957 and they still count in his 46 shared GB record total.)

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Schofield's GB total of 46:

1984 - France, Australia (3), New Zealand
1985 - New Zealand (3)
1986 - France (2), Australia (3)
1987 - France (2)
1988 - France (2), Papua New Guinea, Australia
1990 - France (2), Papua New Guinea (2), New Zealand (3), Australia (3)
1991 - France (2), Papua New Guinea
1992 - Papua New Guinea, Australia (3), New Zealand (2), Australia
1993 - France, New Zealand (3)
1994 - France, Australia (2)

England total of 3:

1984 - Wales
1992 - Wales
1995 - Wales

could he not of waited till after england play aus for hes dummy spit. I know morley is a complete professional and it probably wont distract him but how much of a nob does schoey have to be 3 days before the 4nations final... also what does he want morley to do? say no to the RFL we cant be england because i want to break schoey record so we have to be GB does he not realise there is no more GB team which effectively was england anyway its a poor arguement from a bitter man. the last bit is just funny this wont be last the RFL will hear from garry schoefield! who is he a rugby league super hero :S? richard lewis has gone into witness protection.

Adrian Morley's previous 49 games for GB/England:

FOR; vs; Tournament/Series; Date

1 England France European Championship 12/6/96

2 Great Britain New Zealand First Test 18/10/96

3 Great Britain New Zealand Third Test 1/11/96

4 Great Britain Australia First Test 1/11/97

5 Great Britain Australia Second Test 8/11/97

6 Great Britain Australia Third Test 16/11/97

7 Great Britain Australia Tri-Nations 22/10/99

8 Great Britain New Zealand Tri-Nations 29/10/99

9 England Australia World Cup 28/10/00

10 England Ireland World Cup Quarter Final 11/11/00

11 Great Britain New Zealand First Test 9/11/02

12 Great Britain New Zealand Third Test 23/11/02

13 Great Britain Australia First Ashes Test 8/11/03

14 Great Britain Australia Second Ashes Test 15/11/03

15 Great Britain Australia Third Ashes Test 22/11/03

16 Great Britain Australia Tri-Nations 30/10/04

17 Great Britain New Zealand Tri-Nations 6/11/04

18 Great Britain Australia Tri-Nations 13/11/04

19 Great Britain New Zealand Tri-Nations 20/11/04

20 Great Britain Australia Tri-Nations Final 27/11/04

21 Great Britain New Zealand Tri-Nations 29/10/05

22 Great Britain Australia Tri-Nations 5/11/05

23 Great Britain New Zealand Tri-Nations 12/11/05

24 Great Britain Australia Tri-Nations 19/11/05

25 Great Britain New Zealand Test Match 27/6/06

26 Great Britain New Zealand Tri-Nations 28/10/06

27 Great Britain Australia Tri-Nations 4/11/06

28 Great Britain New Zealand Tri-Nations 11/11/06

29 Great Britain Australia Tri-Nations 18/11/06

30 Great Britain France Test Match 22/6/07

31 Great Britain New Zealand First Test 27/10/07

32 Great Britain New Zealand Second Test 3/11/07

33 Great Britain New Zealand Third Test 10/11/07

34 England France International 27/6/08

35 England Papua New Guinea World Cup 25/10/08

36 England Australia World Cup 2/11/08

37 England New Zealand World Cup 8/11/08

38 England New Zealand World Cup Semi-Final 15/11/08

39 England France International 13/6/09

40 England Wales International 17/10/09

41 England France Four Nations 23/10/09

42 England Australia Four Nations 31/10/09

43 England New Zealand Four Nations 7/11/09

44 England Australia Four Nations Final 14/11/09

45 England France International 12/6/10

46 England France International 21/10/11

47 England Wales Four Nations 29/10/11

48 England Australia Four Nations 5/11/11

49 England New Zealand Four Nations 12/11/11

As far as I know, no one has ever said Morley is taking any record from Schoey. Him and Mick Sullivan are still (and possibly forever will be) the GB Test Cap record holders. Morley has just made it to 50 international appearances.

So when he talks about lobbying the RFL, I don't know what about - his record still stands.

That's correct, the Aussies don't count the 4 games he played for the 'Super League' Kangaroos in '97 (3 v GB & 1 v NZ)

schofield is bitter because he never won any signifcant silverware in his career.

It eats away at him every day and he's desperate to protect his legacy as a great player. With no medals, the record caps is all he has to cling on to. So if morley takes that, what does schofield have left?

He must question it every day. ''Of course I'm a great, i'm gary schofield'', but then the other voice in his head says ''but you've no medals garry. All the greats have plenty of medals''

''I was just unlucky I never played in a good team'' he thinks back.

Then the voice again ''But even the likes of ian kirke and john stankevitch have more medals then you, you're nothing, you barely make a dent on the record books and after all your great service to the game you've been cast adrift to scrape a living''

I'm not suprised he's bitter.

He must be insecure about his career if he's spouting about stuff like this.

All great players and all deserve to be mentioned / recorded for all their efforts and talents, Schoey in his prime was pure class and has a right to feel dissapointed/annoyed.