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| Really hope we can hang on to him.
I've been replaying some of our 2015 games - winning ones, naturally -, and some of his better performances easily surpassed some of Briscoe and Halls' lesser ones.
With the news of BJB's newest move to Wakey, I only hope we can find some way to keep him involved, even if it means McDermott having to change his tried and tested policy of limited rotation. He's simply too good a prospect to be allowed to drift away for want of opportunity.
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| As he fills out I think he'll end up in the centres, and could well replace Moon should he not want a new deal.
Ryan Jones is also a superb prospect who me may struggle to find a place for.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Really hope we can hang on to him.
I've been replaying some of our 2015 games - winning ones, naturally -, and some of his better performances easily surpassed some of Briscoe and Halls' lesser ones.
With the news of BJB's newest move to Wakey, I only hope we can find some way to keep him involved, even if it means McDermott having to change his tried and tested policy of limited rotation. He's simply too good a prospect to be allowed to drift away for want of opportunity.'"
I think he will be highly thought of by the coaching staff after his displays this year.I mean, at 19 he can't have expected to get so much game time but it has really shown he is up to the job.Any injuries in the back line and he gets a game, and its a long hard season so i reckon he will get more than enough games to be kept happy. Same goes for Golding, he needs more exposure next year.
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| Do people on here think that Cameron Smith will be getting game time in 2016 or is it a year too soon?
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Do people on here think that Cameron Smith will be getting game time in 2016 or is it a year too soon?'"
Year too soon, for me anyway.
It's a big leap to go from playing Under 16s to Super League. Might be good for him to go out and get some experience in Championship One, get used to playing against people who are bigger than he is.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Do people on here think that Cameron Smith will be getting game time in 2016 or is it a year too soon?'"
He would have been playing on boxing day had he not broke his leg the other month.
It's a tough one, as in order to sign him he is part of the first team squad for salary cap purposes. So maybe the club will want to utilize players who form part of the camp.
Personally I think he is up to it, but judging by previous years I can't seem them throwing a 16 year old in.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"As he fills out I think he'll end up in the centres, and could well replace Moon should he not want a new deal.
Ryan Jones is also a superb prospect who me may struggle to find a place for.'" What have you seen in Ryan Jones that makes you think he'll make it? He's a very quick & strong young man but his natural rugby brain seems lacking from what I've seen of him
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| As for Cameron Smith, just take it a step at a time.
See how he goes in the u19's
If that goes well, try Hunslet. Yes they're a division lower but we're talking about a 17 year old here.
Their's a few steps he has to play at first before thinking first team.
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| Handley will get his opportunities. Maybe not as many as this year.
I see his long term future at centre.
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| Why do people see Hanley's long term future at centre?
He is similiar to Ryan Hall when he first started in 2007. Once he get's the experience under his belt and fills out, he'll make a fine winger.
Or is that long term the only way he'll play for us is if he plays in the centre because the wing spots are tied up?
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| Handley has shown his talents and has potential to go further but he does need to work on his defence which is not good enough yet.
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| Agree with others sure Handley will get games next year. Also agree with the printer - cameron smith should be not be playing next year. Step from u16 to u19 is big enough at that age. Let him develop for a bit especially as currently injured
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| Quote ="Mark Laurie"Agree with others sure Handley will get games next year. Also agree with the printer - cameron smith should be not be playing next year. Step from u16 to u19 is big enough at that age. Let him develop for a bit especially as currently injured'"
Have said it before: if he's good enough he's old enough. John Holmes started playing in the first team at 16; he didn't turn out too bad did he? Similarly Sir Kev.
Handley deserves to be starting next season: he is good enough. How long is Moon contracted for? If Sutciffe misses the begining of the season I would def try Moon at SO alongside McGuire, with Handley slotted straight in at LC. Keeping Briscoe at RW makes more sense to complememt Hall and Hardaker in starting off the sets as those match winning extra forwards.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Have said it before: if he's good enough he's old enough.'"
Problem is on this occasion, the current 1 to 5 are more than good enough too.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Have said it before: if he's good enough he's old enough. John Holmes started playing in the first team at 16; he didn't turn out too bad did he? Similarly Sir Kev.
Handley deserves to be starting next season: he is good enough. How long is Moon contracted for? If Sutciffe misses the begining of the season I would def try Moon at SO alongside McGuire, with Handley slotted straight in at LC. Keeping Briscoe at RW makes more sense to complememt Hall and Hardaker in starting off the sets as those match winning extra forwards.'"
If Sutty misses the start of the season we'll see Burrow/Mags or Lilley and Mags in the HB's before Moon moves infield.
Also Keinhorst will play Centre before Handley it's the obvious order of things and although AH had a very good break through season he will need to bide his time somewhat.
Re-Cameron Smith after another leg break i think he should be purely in the u19's for 2016 with a view to a short term loan to NL2 later in the year.
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| The game is far more physical than when Holmes or even Sinfield started. It would be almost irresponsible to throw a 16-year old on in the first team now, no matter how big they are.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"The game is far more physical than when Holmes or even Sinfield started. It would be almost irresponsible to throw a 16-year old on in the first team now, no matter how big they are.'"
This.
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"Handley has shown his talents and has potential to go further but he does need to work on his defence which is not good enough yet.'"
Given his performances i'd say it's more than adequate for SL yes every player could improve somewhat in certain areas and no doubts Ash can also improve his overall game but to label his defence simply not good enough i'd suggest you watch all his games.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"The game is far more physical than when Holmes or even Sinfield started. It would be almost irresponsible to throw a 16-year old on in the first team now, no matter how big they are.'"
In what way is it almost impossible? I am not saying he will be playing or should be playing, but posters are far too obsessed with players ages rather than having a knowledge of their ability. Age is a number and that is all, it has always been and always will be the case that if you are good enough, you are old enough. And it is that very thing that the player will need to prove, is he good enough. The majority of every star player of the last 30 years made their debut in first team rugby at a young age, and that is because they have that ability.
Cameron is a big lad for his age, and way above others of his age group. The club were planning on playing him on boxing day, before his latest injury, so obviously they must have some faith in him. Now it is simply with him to prove himself, not what number he has on his birth certificate.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Given his performances i'd say it's more than adequate for SL yes every player could improve somewhat in certain areas and no doubts Ash can also improve his overall game but to label his defence simply not good enough i'd suggest you watch all his games.'"
He did very well in his long run to cover for Briscoe last year and we must expect some errors from a youngster as he steps up to SL level. But I have watched enough of his games to know he needs to improve his defence and his handling before he is ready to be a starter in SL but this is only to be expected.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Given his performances i'd say it's more than adequate for SL yes every player could improve somewhat in certain areas and no doubts Ash can also improve his overall game but to label his defence simply not good enough i'd suggest you watch all his games.'"
Agree with this. Defence can be worked on, granted, but his current level is such that he needs testing by SL-quality opponents. I don't really see lower grade rugby or the practice field yielding the same benefits.
<Edit> Just seen your post, JC. Looks like our opinions differ.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"In what way is it almost impossible? I am not saying he will be playing or should be playing, but posters are far too obsessed with players ages rather than having a knowledge of their ability. Age is a number and that is all, it has always been and always will be the case that if you are good enough, you are old enough. And it is that very thing that the player will need to prove, is he good enough. The majority of every star player of the last 30 years made their debut in first team rugby at a young age, and that is because they have that ability.'"
There's a difference between being good enough in terms of ability, and good enough in terms of physical preparedness. While Cameron might have the former, I'd argue given the way strength work is closely managed at Leeds in the junior grades he probably doesn't have the latter just yet.
Stuart Fielden was 18 when he made his Bradford debut. Paul Sculthorpe was 20 when he first played for Warrington in the first team. You can probably count on one hand the number of star players in the modern era who made their debuts at 16, probably only Andy Farrell springs to mind.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"There's a difference between being good enough in terms of ability, and good enough in terms of physical preparedness. While Cameron might have the former, I'd argue given the way strength work is closely managed at Leeds in the junior grades he probably doesn't have the latter just yet.
Stuart Fielden was 18 when he made his Bradford debut. Paul Sculthorpe was 20 when he first played for Warrington in the first team. You can probably count on one hand the number of star players in the modern era who made their debuts at 16, probably only Andy Farrell springs to mind.'"
Wasn't Chev 16? Cummins was a very young 17 but i think it's a little bit different with wingers compared to a player in the middle of the park especially 20 years agao when wingers were naturally smaller.
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| Think Walker and maybe Nick Scruton might both have been debuts at 16, but given the amount of time both have spent on the sidelines in their respective careers I'm not sure they're the best adverts for it!
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"There's a difference between being good enough in terms of ability, and good enough in terms of physical preparedness. While Cameron might have the former, I'd argue given the way strength work is closely managed at Leeds in the junior grades he probably doesn't have the latter just yet.
Stuart Fielden was 18 when he made his Bradford debut. Paul Sculthorpe was 20 when he first played for Warrington in the first team. You can probably count on one hand the number of star players in the modern era who made their debuts at 16, probably only Andy Farrell springs to mind.'"
Sculthorpe was still 18 actually when he debuted, not that it matters, as a list can still be made of many debuting at the younger age. The point is, and you are right about a difference with ability and physical, but physical again is not determined by the age on a birth certificate. To instantly say someone can not do it just because of their age, and especially without ever seeing them, to me is just plain wrong. It maybe they can do it, but will only be something on a difference scale by physical improvement.
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