No words for that St. Helens performance but hope we can come back from it. Be missing Mellor (Leg) and A Sutcliffe (head knock) now too after both went off. Hope that Hurrell and Myler are back to give us a bit more structure. Lui / Mclelland doesn’t bother me much as Lui was quite poor vs Huddersfield. Would be nice to get Walker back but I think he’s a few weeks away. Sutcliffe, Ward, Walker, Mellor, Sutcliffe, Crosby out. If Hurrell, Myler and Lui are still out then that raises huge concerns on the squad.

Myler
Briscoe / Briscoe Newman Hurrell Handley
Mclelland / Lui Gale
Seumanufagai Leeming Prior
Martin Walters
Smith

Dwyer Cuthbertson Oledzki Dupree/Mustapha/Evans

If Myler, Lui and Hurrell out then add Tindall, Broadbent & Albert *shrugs*

Myler
Briscoe/Briscoe
Newman
Hurrell
Handley
Lui
Gale
Suemanufagai
Leeming
Oledzki
Martin
Prior
Smith

Dwyer
Cuthbertson
Walters
Holroyd.

Hurrell is a hamstring. Normally 8 weeks. Given his zine more likely to be 12! He's carrying serious weight...

Goalkicking aside, what the hell does Martin give this side to warrant a starting spot each week? he is a complete waste of space the majority of the time.

Agree Gotcha - looked a good players early doors but he has failed to show anything this season

G Burgess banned from this weekends game, I suppose that’s one positive.

Presuming Konrad picked up the hamstring injury during the game and he finished the game, I think it would be a grade 1 strain and he'd be back after the Wigan game at a push, not out for 8 weeks.

Ava is another one that has regressed since lockdown. With the exception of the end of the Giants match Newman hasn't really done much this season either. He's a bit lightweight and spends most of his time with the ball going sideways.

Most of the team ran laterally to be fair

I've checked back and he scored twice v Hull KR, but Luke Briscoe put both of those on a plate for him.

so do you not go to the games, or what?

It was nearly 6 months ago. He shined when he broke through, but has been anonymous this season.

He really hasn’t he was going well before lockdown. See what I mean (on other threads) about how fans turn on young players very quickly if they have a few off games.

Ignore it the younger lads & especially Newman are a huge positive.

It's not like he's in danger of being dropped, but a clean break from centre would be nice.

Would that be Harry Newman that leads the Clean Break and Tackle Bust counts for us?

We've played 7 games ( 6 now the Toronto game has been removed) honestly don't know what some fans want if the team were putting in patchy performance and poor efforts after 15 games I could understand but we played 5 games before the pandemic postponed the season and we managed to get 4 wins and put in 2 decent performances against Hull KR and Warrington and obviously battered Toronto as well, the two performance since the season has resumed have been poor yes but give the team a bit of time to re gel and get some combinations going again this was a new team anyway with players still getting to know each other etc time will prove where the rebuild of this Rhinos team is really at.

Can't say I noticed the 1 against Saints. I did see the 1 against Hudds when Hurrell put him away though.

Like most of the team, Newman hasn't been great in the last couple of games, but before lockdown he was starting to look the real deal. I was hoping to see a bit more aggressive running from him but he hasn't had many chances. Against Huddersfield we seemed to favour Hurrell's wing more often than not.

I'm more worried about the seasoned professionals who haven't looked up to much - Ava, Prior, Martin, and Lui all seem to have lost a lot of form since the pre-COVID part of the season. Gale and Hurrell have been okay, as has Mellor. Handley at full-back reminds us why we need Myler so much: at least Myler offers some threat with the ball in hand, or as a support player.

I really hope Dwyer isn't going to get Andy Hay syndrome now that he's signed a new contract. Some nice touches from Leeming, but he hardly imposed himself - perhaps better starting next time? Would prefer a more physical hooker Terry Newton style instead of two lightweight scooter types, especially against the bigger sides like Saints. Let's hope Leeming is more Lee Jackson than Mick Shaw.

Leeming looks a pretty big lad to me.

Had a major car crash just before the Hudds game but still put his hand up to play (we talk about taking pride in the shirt, that's a great example from a young lad). And last week the team were played off the park. He kept going all night. There's a top quality centre in the making there.

OMG im not alone in thinking this then??? People keep telling me how good he is. Goalkicking aside, which hes terrific at, i dont see a bloody thing he does.

What do we expect from Martin?
He works very hard in attack and defense. He's got solid stats on both sides of the ball, and does big minutes, is quick and punches above his weight.

He was outstanding in the 2nd half last week, so I'm not sure what else should be expected.

Anyone else noticed that when we sign a new forward they always start well and then the longer they spend at Leeds on our fatness regime they always decline to pitiful performances and very round shapes.

Sorry, not sure if this is a pish take or not?

Where on earth are you pulling stats from that are "solid" in attack and inparticular defence?

His defence is absolutely woeful, regularly the top missed tackler in the side. Last week against Huddersfield he missed 7 tackles, and not seen stats for this week, but I would imagine he would be double figures. This is not not new, as look at his stats properly, he regularly misses a high amount of tackles. I am unsure how anyone would equat that to "solid"?

So in terms of what do we expect. I expect an overseas player on big money, to at least be able to get the basics right, and then offer something above what a local alternative would in the game. He does in goalkicking, but is that enough?

Edit: He apparently missed 4 this weeks. I would question that though to be honest, but that's what it says.