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| Adam Cuthbertson signs new contract keeping him at the club until 2020
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| good news but needs hard nosed props next to him to flourish.another prop needed
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| Good news. At his best he's vital to our attack. Hopefully, Garbutt resigns too.
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| I'm not as enthusiastic as others, I think he's been fairly ordinary this season and at 35yo to get a new two year deal just seems a bit of a risk.
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| He's 33, but I see your point, although he's not been fit for most of the season, but he still has a lot to offer IMO, especially as front rowers like him are almost extinct, unfortunately.
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| Glad he has re-signed but he needs a revamped pack around him though.
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| Quote ="The Eclipse"I'm not as enthusiastic as others, I think he's been fairly ordinary this season and at 35yo to get a new two year deal just seems a bit of a risk.'"
Yes, 34 at the start of next season so this was my first reaction. But prop is a position we are struggling in already so to lose another corner stone would probably hurt us even more, we will still need at least one quality front rower even with this news. A fit cuthbertson is still a good SL forward.
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| He needs to start acting like what he is supposed to be - our most experienced prop. That means leading by example with the prop's basic job first - tough runs, hard tackles. The rest is icing for if/when we're playing well, which we're not.
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| reading on twitter that Briscoe,Mullally and Walters are next new contracts to be announced this week
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| new contracts for Walters and Mullally oh marvellous !
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| Mullally's OK. Walters I find hard to understand. He has energy, which in our current pack is a big plus, but surely we'd hope one of our younger forwards could take his place in the squad next year?
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| Mullally doesn't punch his weight consistently enough for me very much like Wayne McDonald.
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| He also needs to sort out his knee lift technique too.
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| Mullally is best as prop-style 13. He's never a front line grafter.
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| I'm not one to bag players out too much usually, but Mullaly is a sad indication of Super League standards nowadays.
He's just a big lump - clearly made it into the pro game because he was bigger than everyone as a kid. He has very limited skill (his catching looks awkward, and he certainly doesn't have a natural looking pass), his movement is cumbersome (He doesn't even look natural running), he doesn't run lines or hit spaces.
Now I know he's a prop so doesn't necessarily need to be a skilful player or good at reading the game, but you want the elite players to at least have a good feel for the game. He's what I'd call a manufactured player - to be fair, he puts the effort in the gym and is dedicated to his craft with his diet and lifestyle, but you can just tell he's one of those who was big as a kid and nothing else, and the club's have then spent the time working on getting his skills levels to a basic level so he can use his frame to do a job.
Those type of players will only ever have a limited impact, and other than as a squad filler, Leeds should be aiming for better. Our problem is we're relying on that type of player as one of our main forwards nowadays.
Chris Feather, Wayne McDonald and even Ian Kirke were naturally better players - and none of them were 'needed' in the team like Mullaly currently is. Kirke got a lot of grief on here (and I thought he never used his size to it's potential), but he was there to a very specific and limited job whilst other world class forwards did the rest, Mullaly doesn't have the benefit of being surrounded by the same level of talent.
In short, whether Mullaly stays or goes, we need to be signing much higher standard players for our pack - Mullaly should be playing Kirke type minutes and role, not one of our main props.
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| Can't believe the focus is on Mullally here, at least he has shown glimpses.
Walters???
I just don't understand. He is slow and cumbersome, often weak in the challenge, both defensively and offensively. Retiring back into the line after making a tackle he is soooo slow and leaves the defender either side of him in two minds as to what to do. He does not seem to read the game very well at all either. I know he is cheap, but I still think you could drag a kid from the Championship on less and get more from them. At least a hungry guy would have enthusiasm.
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| Quote ="LocalSuperhero"Can't believe the focus is on Mullally here, at least he has shown glimpses.
Walters???
I just don't understand. He is slow and cumbersome, often weak in the challenge, both defensively and offensively. Retiring back into the line after making a tackle he is soooo slow and leaves the defender either side of him in two minds as to what to do. He does not seem to read the game very well at all either. I know he is cheap, but I still think you could drag a kid from the Championship on less and get more from them. At least a hungry guy would have enthusiasm.'"
That's because Walters is a minimum wage, squad filler, who only fills in when we're massively down on numbers. He's about 6th or 7th choice and an a salary that reflects that. Mullaly unfortunately now is one of our frontline props.
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| Quote ="Superted"That's because Walters is a minimum wage, squad filler, who only fills in when we're massively down on numbers. He's about 6th or 7th choice and an a salary that reflects that. Mullaly unfortunately now is one of our frontline props.'"
Sorry but you don't know what Walters is on, so can not just assume that. To be honest it wouldn't matter if Walters was 10th or 11th in the pecking order, it is wrong to do that. He is holding back someone else for no need. Never of the right quality.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Quote ="Superted"That's because Walters is a minimum wage, squad filler, who only fills in when we're massively down on numbers. He's about 6th or 7th choice and an a salary that reflects that. Mullaly unfortunately now is one of our frontline props.'"
Sorry but you don't know what Walters is on, so can not just assume that. To be honest it wouldn't matter if Walters was 10th or 11th in the pecking order, it is wrong to do that. He is holding back someone else for no need. Never of the right quality.'"
Why is it wrong? Who's he holding back? He comes in and does the job McDermott needs/wants him to do. I'll trust his view on Walters capabilities over yours and whether a different kid should get a go ahead of him. There are plenty who bagged McD for his continued selection of Kirke - that didn't work out so bad for us did it?
As for his salary, no I don't know exactly what he's on, but I do know through contscts he's one of the lowest paid in the squad. His salary is meaningless/insignificant in terms of the club's ability to attract a different player.
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| Quote ="Superted"Why is it wrong? Who's he holding back? He comes in and does the job McDermott needs/wants him to do. I'll trust his view on Walters capabilities over yours and whether a different kid should get a go ahead of him. There are plenty who bagged McD for his continued selection of Kirke - that didn't work out so bad for us did it?
As for his salary, no I don't know exactly what he's on, but I do know through contscts he's one of the lowest paid in the squad. His salary is meaningless/insignificant in terms of the club's ability to attract a different player.'"
Kirke was woeful & retained 3years too long his continued selection only proved the Coach had his favourites.
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| Quote ="Superted"Why is it wrong? Who's he holding back? He comes in and does the job McDermott needs/wants him to do. I'll trust his view on Walters capabilities over yours and whether a different kid should get a go ahead of him. There are plenty who bagged McD for his continued selection of Kirke - that didn't work out so bad for us did it?
As for his salary, no I don't know exactly what he's on, but I do know through contscts he's one of the lowest paid in the squad. His salary is meaningless/insignificant in terms of the club's ability to attract a different player.'"
Ah right so you are one of those hypocrit fools? You come on slating Mullalley, who is continually picked by Mcermot, but when some one else comments on another, the excuse is he does the job of the coach and you respect the coaches View on him.
You don’t see how hypocritical you look?
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Quote ="Superted"Why is it wrong? Who's he holding back? He comes in and does the job McDermott needs/wants him to do. I'll trust his view on Walters capabilities over yours and whether a different kid should get a go ahead of him. There are plenty who bagged McD for his continued selection of Kirke - that didn't work out so bad for us did it?
As for his salary, no I don't know exactly what he's on, but I do know through contscts he's one of the lowest paid in the squad. His salary is meaningless/insignificant in terms of the club's ability to attract a different player.'"
Kirke was woeful & retained 3years too long his continued selection only proved the Coach had his favourites.'"
I'm far from a Kirke fan - for his size, he was nowhere near as strong in attack as he should have been, but he was excellent defensively, missed very very few tackles and made very very few errors. There was a period where he'd not missed a tackle or made an error for something ridiculous like 10 games. Granted he played a very minor role, but his job was to come on, make a few drives, make lots of tackles around the ruck and give JP a breather so he could come back on and do his thing. So slate Kirke all you want, McD made it work for the team and we won multiple championships - what more can we expect.
Kirkes final 3 years were quite baron actually, only a Championship, a WCC and breaking our challenge cup duck in his final year to show for it.
Me thinks some people have gotten spoilt!
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Ah right so you are one of those hypocrit fools? You come on slating Mullalley, who is continually picked by Mcermot, but when some one else comments on another, the excuse is he does the job of the coach and you respect the coaches View on him.
You don’t see how hypocritical you look?'"
Not hypocritical in the slightest.
I don't rate Mullally, I didn't rate Kirke, but Kirke could do the job he was asked to do, and it worked extremely well in the end for the team. I think Mullally is slightly better than Kirke in attack once the ball is in his hands, and he's nowhere near as effective as Kirke in defence.
There's some differences in the roles the players are required to do, which stop my points being hypocritical.
Kirke was almost a 2nd tier forward, there to do.his specific job. McD got the best for the team out of using him. I didn't rate Kirke, but it worked for the team more often than not. I thought many times we had better players in the squad than Kirke, and that he was lucky to get picked ahead of them, but it worked, so well done McD.
Walters is far from a top line player, but he comes in when required and does the job McD sets of him (otherwise he wouldn't be picked again). Again, I think there's probably more skilful kids out there, but McD trusts in him, and he did score a GF winning try - well done McD.
Mullally I don't rate, and because of the current state of the squad, he's one of our main pack men. I don't blame McD for picking him, because he's got no better options in the squad currently. So my point is, we need more front line props of a much better standard than Mullally. If he was only required to do a bit part job, then he'd not be so bad. But with the age of our other pack men and the state of Super League squads in general, a player of his standard is too high up the pecking order for any super league squad in my opinion. His wage will be irrelevant, as I doubt he'll be a big earner.
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| listen to you two arguing over two players who shouldn't be anywhere near a team with top 4 ambitions. both are garbage. walters scored a gf try. great. he's awful. dreadful.
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