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| Big performance needed after the second half yesterday. Worries me slightly without Galloway, hopefully Garbutt returns. We cannot go with a back on the bench again.
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| Quote ="Frosties."Big performance needed after the second half yesterday. Worries me slightly without Galloway, hopefully Garbutt returns. We cannot go with a back on the bench again.
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Looks about right. This game may indicate just what shape we are really in looking forward to the run in to the playoffs.
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| Quote ="Frosties."Big performance needed after the second half yesterday. Worries me slightly without Galloway, hopefully Garbutt returns. We cannot go with a back on the bench again.
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I would play Walker on the right wing
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"I would play Walker on the right wing'"
I wouldn't. If you are going to play him then play him at fullback and Golding on the wing.
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| The big issue is right wing. I think Handley's inclusion on the bench yesterday was purely to replace Briscoe if needed given how quickly it happened in the match which would suggest pre existing concern over Briscoe's involvement.
Briscoe's head just hasnt seem focused at all this year and I don't say that in a way to slate him off, more a concern as we heard with things like Mentality and what Hardaker was going through 12 months ago that we don't know what players are going through away from the pitch but I honestly think there's more to Briscoe than just pure bad form. I remember Wakey scoring a simple try in his corner on Boxing Day and I was right in that corner and whilst you could say "oh it was just a friendly"....there was truely something that struck me about his body language that's stuck in my head. Very similar happened week 2 vs Leigh.
I think the guy needs taking out of the first team picture for while, I know that leaves a problem because of Handley's form too but I really think Briscoe shouldn't be on a rugby pitch right now.
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| agree regarding the right wing situation, give walker a run did not look out of depth at fullback so should be steady enough on the wing, gets valuable first team experience, and i'd rather a young lad given a chance and make the odd mistake than a 4 year pro like handley who still cannot defend or catch a ball. and briscoe can be class but not seen it since wembley/2015
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| It's up to Brian Mac to sort out the briscoe problem. Unfortunately it's obvious at the moment he is not willing or capable of dealing with the situation.
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| If Walker's on the wing expect a barrage of cross field kicks towards his corner, and I can only see Lineham and Atkins coming out on top in that contest. Unfortunately I wouldn't back Briscoe or Handley in that situation either at the moment, though I would be inclined to stick with Briscoe and back him to come good.
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| No way would I play Walker against Lineham especially.
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| For me there are more issues than just the wing that right side. Of course that is a major one but we generally look like we have no communication going on at all and leave ourselves exposed or out numbered with general ease. I would be inclined to stick with Briscoe and show some faith but he needs a kick up his aris he is better than this. Handley i still think could be a good player down the line but looks shot to pieces at SL level. He needs to take a step back and perhaps go out on loan into the championship and work his way back, he has lets not forget, just turned 21 despite his experience.
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| Walker has done ok, but probably best to leave him out of the firing line against Warrington. I would switch Hall to negate Atkins on high balls, put Golding on the other wing. Joel back to centre and Sutcliffe back to full back. If it wasn't for being short of quality forwards I'd have left Joel where he was and asked Ward to play centre.
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"I would play Walker on the right wing'"
Any Chance you could play Roy walker on the other wing against Matty Russell....
Say what you see
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| Re our wings, its noticeable how vastly inferior we are at getting them any kind of quality ball. Cas via their expansive game, and Wigan with their more structured style make bucketloads of chances for their wingers. We've got Ryan Hall on one wing, who just needs half a yard of space near the line, and yet he's managed just a handful of tries all year.
Re Walker, I just think he can't do any worse than Briscoe or Handley. If Watkins can provide a bit of cover at high kicks, he'd be worth a game IMO. As for Briscoe, I wonder if he ought to consider going on loan to Fev for a while?
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| Neither Walker or Golding are wingers & neither are the answer to that right side defendive weakness.
That right edge/BR_RC Channel has been a shambles for over 18mths & it's as much Mags/Watkins & whoever plays BR as it is the Winger.
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| I'm not disagreeing re organisation, but if someone's confidence is shot, putting them back into the firing line in the first team is generally a disaster (Leroy Rivett anyone)? Continually picking a player when they're down isn't the best move IMO. The only alternative could be to simply switch wings.
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| Quote ="Loyal Leeds Fan"If Walker's on the wing expect a barrage of cross field kicks towards his corner, and I can only see Lineham and Atkins coming out on top in that contest. Unfortunately I wouldn't back Briscoe or Handley in that situation either at the moment, though I would be inclined to stick with Briscoe and back him to come good.'"
If Handley is on our wing you can expect an even bigger barrage of cross field kicks and he has shown he is not up to SL level as a defender. I agree Briscoe on paper would be the safest option but he has lost his mojo at present. We have been weak defensively on our right side for quite some time and other sides know it. I would like to see Watkins covering further out
Yes young Walker would be a risk but he is a full back and has shown he has the class and temperament so far. IMO he would be the lesser risk
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Neither Walker or Golding are wingers & neither are the answer to that right side defendive weakness.
That right edge/BR_RC Channel has been a shambles for over 18mths & it's as much Mags/Watkins & whoever plays BR as it is the Winger.'"
I agree with you about the shambles inside the right winger it has been a weakness that other sides identified long ago. I think Watkins should defend wider out and the back row should provide the cover inside him.
However against Cas, Handley made 4 errors and 4 missed tackles (he actually made one tackle!) Briscoe made 3 errors and 1 missed tackle and Watkins made 2 errors and 4 missed tackles. Much of this was because Cas attacked us with skill and speed down their left side but there were some poor individual defensive performances too.
Others have suggested that we should swop Hall to the right wing which would improve the high ball defense but perhaps not the tackling and positional problems.
We really are missing Keinhorst IMO who does so much of the un-glamorous work on defense
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"...
We really are missing Keinhorst IMO who does so much of the un-glamorous work on defense'"
But not on our right side defence which is where the problem is.
The issue to me is that we don't seem to have anyone coming through at the lower levels with the physical presence to dominate in the air.
FWIW I don't think BJB is the answer. We need a younger version of Joel Monaghan - without all the baggage.
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"As for Briscoe, I wonder if he ought to consider going on loan to Fev for a while?'"
His brother Luke has actually been in tremendous form for us (Fev) this year (well until he was injured the other day), not the talent of Tom of course but has been a revelation this year. In fact Scott Turner has played so well on the other wing that lots of fans feel we ought to stick with that pair, even though Handley has done well for us when he has come in. Of course, you don't get tested defensively at Championship level anything like you do in SL.
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"I agree with you about the shambles inside the right winger it has been a weakness that other sides identified long ago. I think Watkins should defend wider out and the back row should provide the cover inside him. '"
I'm sure Brian and his 1st rate assistants know how to coach defence.
Perhaps if Jones-Buchanan and Watkins could contain their enthusiasm a little better rather than shooting out of the line on hero plays the structure would work as intended.
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| and the ref is
james child. again for leeds v wire
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| Quote ="tad rhino"james child. again '"
not even a suprise at this point
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| certainly stinks
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| Even taking out the fact it's Child and he's had real crap performances in these games recently, it is strange for a ref to get the same fixture so often, even with the small pool of refs.
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| Quote ="Barrie's Glass Eye"Even taking out the fact it's Child and he's had real crap performances in these games recently, it is strange for a ref to get the same fixture so often, even with the small pool of refs.'"
Come on Barry open your other eye,JC has to play his part in the Wire revival.
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