Title says it all no amount of excuses or even reasinable debate can justify this Season & it's time Coaches/Players are thanked & moved on.
Not 1 snr player has put his hand up to lead ,the Coach(es) has been blatantly exposed as not having 1 clue what to do without Sinfield/JP & the CEO has got his recruitment/retention responsability woefully wrong as well.
Time to dust off that cheque book & issue some p45's over to you Gary!

couldn't agree more however I do think JJB has tried to lead. however he's shot, he needs to finish

Decent shout in terms of energy & effort but today once again highlighted after 20 mins he's a liabillity.

if we get a top class halve to lead us around i'd keep McGuire. he's no leader or organiser though

Loyalty is a lovely thing to have when you're doing well. If GH stays loyal to this playing and coaching group over the winter though, he's failing in his job.

We don't need an overhaul, we just need a few key changes

New coach, plus signing a new 9 and 7 and removing and replacing any poisonous elements behind the scenes that we can't see

On top of that is has become clear that we need a reserve team

We don't need an overhaul, we just need a few key changes

New coach, plus signing a new 9 and 7 and removing and replacing any poisonous elements behind the scenes that we can't see
JJB and Burrow would be solid bench/squad players a but probably shouldn't play 80 mins, whilst Mags would still go well for another couple of years next to a controlling 7

On top of that is has become clear that we need a reserve team

for fffs sake coach has to go along with Mags who as much as i have appreciated him and love him to bits is shot and worrying enough Burrow and J.J.B along with Hall were just about our best players . The place stunk today , no excuses if with the players availible and 12 points up we could not win that then get out Mac you have become an embarresment . Our attempt at setting up a drop goal was like an act from Billy Smarts circus .

Had enough today !

The way he couldn't wait to leave the pitch at the final whistle, without the customary thanks for the incredible support, probably demonstrated that his days are numbered. Loyalty is fantastic but when the skill levels have fallen to an all time low its time to say goodbye. Concentrate on learning your lines JJB your RL playing days are over.

Absolute Bolloc/ J.J.B ran his blood to water , there were far worse than him today

And therein lies half of the problem.

We're so far down on quality that we're picking people for just putting in an effort.

Ward's energy and mobility have been a massive miss from the back row this season, meaning longer minutes and more consecutive games needed from the likes of JJB and Achurch.

Impossible to fault JJB's efforts today but how many stupid penalties did he concede at vital times?

I suspect many Leeds fans are actually only feeling apathy after such a long period of disappointment.

McDermott won't be here next season anyway so don't worry.

I don't see anything coming from the club to suggest McDermott will not be in place next season

My source within the dressing room said its looking like that might be it for McDermott. Utter silence after the game apparently.

Why would you at this point?

One rough season and you guys really want McDermott gone? You'll stroll through the middle 8's and with a few good signings and better luck with injuries you'll be back challenging next season.

You are McDermott and I claim my fiver

Apparently I'm Shaun Wane as well because I defended him when our fans were going ape sh*t earlier in the year. Could I be both? Have they ever been seen in the same room together?

What source is that.....tomato? brown? tartar? hoisin?

Same as every other game this season.

Leaving one player on bench while he flogs the others.
No control , direction or tactics shown by any of the three or four half backs used.
Stupid penalties, maybe from over worked forwards
No proper hooker (or FB now) leading to odd or bizarre subs and player positions .

In a perverse way getting beat today has some well hidden positives.

Having won the previous two some were getting giddy about making the top 8 with McD still spouting it too. If we had scraped in by a miracle I fear the club would point to the training ground and injuries as justification for a poor first half of the season and not addressed the key issues.

As it is we now have a number of players back so we do look a little better but it's clear we have no leader, game manager or clear influence so we need to recruit to fill those roles. It's also clear the coaches aren't capable of helping the players understand what they need to do. A full review is needed.

Assuming we don't get relegated, I agree. This season is now shaping up to be a watershed event. Had we scraped into the Super 8s or been just outside the top 8 a lot of nonsense could have been used to hide the team's shortcomings (blah blah injuries blah blah training ground blah blah Zak Harakder blah blah). As a result we may have had to suffer longer than expected, whereas its as clear as day that major changes are required, both on and off field.

Some of the facts are quite mind-boggling:

- finishing bottom after the regular season for the first time
- worst attack and close to worst defence in the competition (and so obviously points difference).
- longest losing run for 60 years
- so far the lowest win percentage in the lowest in the club's history (we're currently on 23% from all games vs 27% in 1899-1900). I fully expect a couple of wins against Championship teams to push this up.
- possible to have a top try scorer with less than 10 tries for the first time since 1943-44.

Any one of these factoids ought to send alarm bells ringing. Take them together and it adds up to a heap of steaming garbage as a season. After last year, had we crept into the Top 8 I couldn't have argued against BM staying or just tinkering with the squad. The same would probably have been true if we narrowly missed out on the 8. As it is I really can't see how he can be allowed to carry on next year, or how anyone can not see the need for major surgery on the squad.

First I was afraid, I was petrified......now I really don't give a ****.

If McDermott isn't gone by the end of the season (and I mean the calendar end, the competitive season ended for Leeds months ago) and there isn't a serious overhaul of playing staff then I can't see that I'll give a **** next year either.