So, if we do have a clearout of players come season end, which, would you say, are for the chop? Who should get a reprieve? And who should be brought in?

My Thoughts

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Brent Webb-already pretty established as going to Catalans

Jamie Peacock-Sorry, but the old warhorse is shot. Can no longer put in the stints he used to, let alone play the full 80. The guy will be 35 at season end, and has looked less effective than Moore for much of this year.

Lee Smith-not as good a fullback as Hardaker, not as good a winger as Jones-Bishop or Hall, and not suited to our needs as a left centre. It's hard to see, other than cover, what Smith offers us. Can better advance himself elsewhere.

Chris Clarkson-has literally no go forward. Yes, his defence is reasonable, but for much of this season that's fallen off too. The opinion has generally been that unless he plays the full 80, he wouldn't start. Currently, I don't think any of those could be said.

Ian Kirke-again, a trier, and as his stint at Wire showed, he can attack and make yards. But he doesn't have Moore's offloading, or aggression, and has fallen out of the side in the last few months. That said, given he's probably not on too much money, I'd think about keeping him on.

Richard Moore-though aggressive, should never have been signed. Doesn't make too many yards, defensively poor, and generally making up the numbers, while blocking the path of youth. Wouldn't get signed by anyone we should be trying to compete with.

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Kyle Amor-Loan return. Been doing well for Wakey by all accounts for near two years, it's time to give him the opportunity he's deserved.

Luke Ambler-Loan Return. By all accounts, similar to the above at Fax, where their fans are raving about him.

Paul McShane-Loan return. Again, seems to be doing well at Widnes, and clearly has the faith of the management with his long-term contract. See him falling behind Hood in a few years, but so far our best option.

Daryl Millard-OOC at Catalans, the reliable, big LC we've been looking for.

Olivier Elima-OOC at Bradford. Big, brick house, aggressive, offloading second row. A better version of Moore.

Sam Moa-Wanting away from Hull. Prop forward with some mongrel and 'bang' about him. Would give some oomph to the pack where it's really needed.

John Bateman-we need a quality replacement for Sinfield. This guy is the next big thing, and we should be doing everything we can to bring him to Headingley. Big transfer fee needed, but with the clubs finances, the sleeve should be able to do a deal with Bulls.

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Kevin Sinfield. Defence has been poor, and so has attack this year. I'd be looking to move Kev to a player-coach role next year, potentially playing him at Hooker rather than LF. 2013 to be Kev's last season on the playing staff.

Danny McGuire. Not as good a scrumhalf as Burrow, the loss of his pace has left Danny in an unfamiliar position. Ward is clearly the future, and played well at SO against Wire-so where does Danny's future lie? IMO, unless he can put in a big season in 2013, the answer is away from Headingley.

[u2013 Squad[/u

1. Zak Hardaker
2. Ben Jones-Bishop
3. Kallum Watkins
4. Daryl Millard
5. Ryan Hall
6. Danny McGuire
7. Rob Burrow (VC)
8. Kylie Leuluai
9. Paul McShane
10. Darrell Griffin
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan
12. Carl Ablett
13. Kevin Sinfield (C)
14. Liam Hood
15. Brett Delaney
16. Ryan Bailey
17. Olivier Elima
18. John Bateman
19. Weller Hauraki
20. Sam Moa
21. Luke Ambler
22. Kyle Amor
23. Jamel Chisholm
24. Liam Hood
25. Stevie Ward

Best 17:

Hardaker
Jones-Bishop
Watkins
Millard
Hall
McGuire
Burrow
Leuluai
Sinfield
Griffin
Jones-Buchanan
Ablett
Bateman

Delaney
Bailey
Moa
Elima

You have been banging your drum too long.

Cannot see many who are signed up leaving. Peacock while not been at his best will not be let go.
I know clarksons not set the world on fire but would prefer him to be retained and hauraki let go if any second rower. I cannot see massive changes to the squad personally. To me the article in the YEP was a toothless threat. Alot of the players had just signed new deals not that long ago. If there was going to be wholesale changes that would have bEen the time to do it

James lowes should go ,we need an assistant coach from a threequarter back ground. With some ideas on offense lines of running,at the moment we are an easy team to defend against.

This again? Do we need a new thread?

It will be interesting to compare names on your list with the other rumours thread started yesterday and see if any turn out correct !

Mmmm it's not immediately clear how this thread is materially different to Tyke's's'sss/Rhinos No. 1 Fan's [iPlayers to be Released end of this year[/i one from a couple of days ago - except it's even more long-winded and he's decided the fates of a few more players in the interim. Seems to have it in for Chris Clarkson in particular.

Some people are so fickle re JP. Even the best players go through lean spells, I'm just glad he's having his in June. Was immense at the start of the season & I'm sure will finish the season strong. As arguably the most influential signing ever by Leeds, he surely deserves more than a couple of below standard performances before people want to get rid.

That WOULD be James Lowes then?

Re mjm. I think you will find lowes played most of his career as hooker.
For your information the hooking position is in the forwards.

Who are you trying to impress this onto ? Why bother ? (Must have taken you bluddy ages to do [ithis[/i list.....AND you still gave Liam Hood two squad numbers (lucky guy: you must like [ihim[/i a lot)

I think we could do worse than look into signing Millard, Elima and Moa. They're all OOC and play in postions where we need strengthening ( based on Hardaker moving to fullback). I hope GH is on the case!

Sorry, I really had no idea, thanks for the info.

How does that correlate to where his background was which was the fairly pointless argument of the prev poster?

Much more succintly put.....how old are these guys?

I like the sound of adding Millard and Elima to the squad....but is Moa any better than Amor ? That seems the easiest solution to beef up the front row; along with Ambler, Singleton and D.Smith.

Keep Bailey out of the front row...he's hopeless at making any yardage and I still say Delaney would make a better prop in that respect. You can rely him to charge the ball in and make some yardage...and that's about it. The try he made for Burrow Friday night was hugely memorable because that sort of play is so damn rare from him.

Thought moa wanted to go back home for personal reasons rather than just looking to leave hull

Moa is either going home or staying at hull IMO. Millard will re-sign for Catalan and Bateman will go to Warrington.

You'd keep McShane and Hood but yet play Sinfield at hooker?

Frosties, apart from David Williams any other players on GH's radar screen?

This would be the James Lowes that played most of his junior rugby at 6.
HTH

Personally I hope we keep Kirke.

There's been two or three times now this season where the team have visibly improved when he's come off the bench.
Friday was the latest example.

I don't know why and I don't know how, but there it is!

Tykes / Rhino's number 1 fan, you mention Amor and Ambler and giving youth a go, but then neither are in your 17 but Moa.

I can't wait for JP to come back and shove your words down your throat. He's been off the last few weeks but is being flogged. If you have a car, you don't put the pedal to metal constantly, you ease of now and again. McD hasn't let Peacock do that. He isn't a bad player, just a shattered one.

You also mention McShane and Hood but have Sinny at 9 and again they're not even on the bench. We ask if things could worse than they already are, and having you as coach would be a disaster. Great players don't become crap over night. Fair enough, some need to go, but show respect to the players that have given their heart and soul to our club. Players like Kev and JP have dragged us single handedly to the winning post at times and then 'no 1 fans' like you write them off when their form dips for a few weeks. Any fan can see the team is out on its feet. Most of the squad haven't had a rest for 3 years and McD hasn't used the squad adequately.

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Numpty Leeds fans who let their mouths run away with them.

Lowes was a scrum half with Hunslet before we picked him up.

Famously dominated, from scrum half, a Leeds team including a fine array of future head and assistant coaches in Schofield, Wane, Maskill, Goodway and Hanley.

As an aside is that the last time Leeds played the Hun in a competetive game (tvoc)?

Having visited South Leeds a few times this season, I'd guess it's quite some time since anyone played the Hun in a competitive game!

As Ringo Starr might have once wrote to Marge Simpson 'sorry for the lateness of my reply.'

Yes it was. That game (28 - 20) was in the Yorkshire Cup 1st round (13th September 1992) and was watched by a Headingley crowd of 5,952.

Lowes would make his Leeds debut just 19 days later in a 13 - 4 home win V Warrington in the league.