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| How many times did he actually hook last night?
By that I mean pack down @ hooker , would be a stretch for him to win any ball put into the front row and not the second.
Attacking scrums he seemed to be @ loose forward and sinfield at scrum half.
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| Yet another excuse for Burrow to believe it's him against the world, and ignore his team mates. Poor tactic for me, and Wire had it well marshalled and predicted it.
We are more and more going away from a passing team, to just looking for excuses for Burrow to run. How in this world the club announced him MOM last night I just don't know. One useful run all night out of about 40, and he gets MOM. He must have been embarrassed at that announcement.
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| Why would Burrow need any kind of excuse??
He played well last night so what did he do wrong to get such scathing comments?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Yet another excuse for Burrow to believe it's him against the world, and ignore his team mates. Poor tactic for me, and Wire had it well marshalled and predicted it.
We are more and more going away from a passing team, to just looking for excuses for Burrow to run. How in this world the club announced him MOM last night I just don't know. One useful run all night out of about 40, and he gets MOM. He must have been embarrassed at that announcement.'"
The hell?
Burrow is best when he runs at the defence. That's when he's most dangerous. That's when we look most dangerous.
Any system which allows burrow to do that as much as possible, without sacrificing structure is a good one.
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| Quote ="doc-rhino"Attacking scrums he seemed to be @ loose forward and sinfield at scrum half.'"
The use of Burrow at loose forward on Leeds' scrum-feed was a bit of a departure from the norm (although it was used at least once at Castleford last week - where he produced a shocking ball that Hall rescued) as it would more usually be Ablett there but Sinfield I think was tasked in the normal manner.
All scrums that are set on the right hand side of the field (from a Leeds point of view) are fed by Sinfield while similarly all scrums on the left hand side are fed by McGuire. This is the case whenever Leeds have the feed, irrespective of whether the scrum is twenty metres from the opponents line or twenty metres from their own. Similarly they do likewise on defensive scrums to basically keep them in the right areas for the defensive set to follow.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Why would Burrow need any kind of excuse??
He played well last night so what did he do wrong to get such scathing comments?'"
I said the tactics for an excuse.
He didn't play well at all IMO. He played for himself and was successful once out of about 40 attempts, resulting in Watkins try. We were lucky to win last night and the hooking position should have been changed when we went 12-0 up.
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| Disagree. A passing game's fine so long as we're going forward. Most teams achieve that through the graft of the forwards - we have the luxury of Burrow or McGuire by way of an alternative method of gaining the necessary momentum to make our passing effective. In fact last night I'd say that Wire's forwards and passing game were roughly equal to our own. What they didn't have was the type of threat that Burrow poses.
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| I agree with Gotcha, was Burrow playing for himself or the team?
He made very little head way - no wonder Warrington knew exactly what he was going to do - as a tactic it should be used sparingly not instead of hard graft from the forwards.
Hookers should be spotting the areas of weakness in the defensive line and passing it that way not running into one of the two markers.
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| Burrow always plays for the team imo but I agree the tactic was overused last night. Running from dummy half or the base of the scrum should be done now and again or if a gap is spotted. He seemed to run at least once in every set last night. Burrow was tackled more times in possesion last night than any other game I can think off.
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| At times last night I thought we could've done with McShane's distribution from the ptb last night. I'm not sticking the boot into Hood but watching him and McShane passing between each other in the warm at Cas McShane's passing was much sharper. Hood is clearly highly rated by the coaching staff and has shown his enthusiasm and eye for the line. Didn't think Burrow's running was as effective last night, thought he got caught by the markers when a pass was more appropriate, however he was a threat and proved that with his break.
All in all, didn't think he was MOM but didn't think he was bad as some on here are saying. Some people just love to moan. The coaching staff clearly think this is the way to go and the results thus far have been good, I reckon they're in a better position to choose the team and how they play better than I.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"I agree with Gotcha, was Burrow playing for himself or the team?'"
That's a strange question to ask.
Is he only playing for the team when he successfully makes the break? And if he fails he's playing for himself? FWIW I thought Wire read him well last night but I'd say he was playing for the team.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"I agree with Gotcha, '"
Course you do
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| I am certain that our coaching staff still don't know which is our strongest team,
Position wise that is.
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| Burrow seemed to do a lot of running around in circles, like a leaping gazelle that buzzing its tits off. Only to get tackled a metre further forward from where he started
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| Quote ="G1"Course you do
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Unlike you - sometimes I agree I with him sometimes I don't - its about being able comprehend the argument and put forward a view.
Even Stevie Wonder could see how many times Burrow ran down a blind alley.
Where is Diskin when you need him - watching videos of Danny Buderus still cutting it in the best league in the world whilst the rest of the Rhinos team are looking at GF medal he won for them
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| Quote = Where is Diskin when you need him - watching videos of Danny Buderus still cutting it in the best league in the world whilst the rest of the Rhinos team are looking at GF medal he won for them
Even Stevie Wonder could see how many times Burrow ran down a blind alley.
Where is Diskin when you need him - watching videos of Danny Buderus still cutting it in the best league in the world whilst the rest of the Rhinos team are looking at GF medal he won for them
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The bile you reserve for Rhinos players is quite sad. I can never take your opinions of Burrow seriously. You set your agenda on him clearly back in 2001 when he had the temerity to be given a 1st team debut ahead of your beloved McGuire.
If Diskin wants cheering up he can watch videos of a Leeds hooker winning a Harry Sunderland award in a Grand Final. Or even watch videos of Burrow gleaning every vote for man of the match in another Grand Final, even thoiugh you imagine that should have gone to Buderus.
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| I too was jumping on the Burrow is a spent force band waggon (sp) last season....but I am more than happy to state the little guy has proved me wrong.
I have never doubted his guts, spirit, amazing speed for such a little guy and exemplary tackling ability. He is now back to his fearless best, mixing it up with the forwards (Kirke take note) and constantly getting scragged for his troubles. Inevitably he always gets the last laugh with at least one productive break that leads to one usually critical try at a hugely crucial moment of the game.
He is unconventional....no doubt about it.....but the question I ask is who do you fear most leaving Leeds and returning to haunt us in the future ? Burrow would be at the top of that list at the moment ....he is a constant threat especially later on into a match against those tiring forwards.
Tad was right though....he was [i[umost[/u[/i effective when sharing the dummy half role with McShane for large parts of the match, whilst being allowed to buzz around in a roaming role. Whether he could share the role equally as well with Hood is yet to be seen. Either way Burrow commands his starting role at the moment....long may it continue.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"
[iTad was right though[/i....he was [i[umost[/u[/i effective when sharing the dummy half role with McShane for large parts of the match, whilst being allowed to buzz around in a roaming role. Whether he could share the role equally as well with Hood is yet to be seen. Either way Burrow commands his starting role at the moment....long may it continue.
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| Quote ="G1"The bile you reserve for Rhinos players is quite sad. I can never take your opinions of Burrow seriously. You set your agenda on him clearly back in 2001 when he had the temerity to be given a 1st team debut ahead of your beloved McGuire.
If Diskin wants cheering up he can watch videos of a Leeds hooker winning a Harry Sunderland award in a Grand Final. Or even watch videos of Burrow gleaning every vote for man of the match in another Grand Final, even thoiugh you imagine that should have gone to Buderus.'"
Bit like you really - your agenda against McGuire has been as long as he got an opportunity in the side. What is funny is that McGuire is only playing because Sinfield wants him at 7 - your diatribe this year against McGuire is duly noted - good job you don't pick the side!!
On Diskin you are the only man on here who thinks Diskin is a better player than Buderus - says much about your ability to understand what is going on before your very eyes.
But then he comes from Dewsbury - can't be doing with these flash harry Aussie no matter how good they are
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| Burrow has been one of the best players in SL so far this season and people still want to critisise. Watching the game back Burrow made a few good runs and was always dangerous, and given the amount of times we moved the ball wide would suggest that Burrow was a key part to a decent [iteam [/idisplay. FWIW I thought McGuire was MotM.
Hood looked very nervouse when he came on, his passing from the PTB is generally better than he showed on Friday. McShane has been unlucky to be left out.
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