No contest

... BJB skins him every time on the outside BUT then ruins it with those stupid kicks in field.

It's worked once at the millenium with the penalty try... But the lad needs to learn to take the tackle. Leeds would have scored to win after that break. The team certainly did not deserve to lose the way it did.

JJB, Ablett and Burrow were immense ( bit of a pattern here ).
BJB should usurp Webb at FB... His kick returns are awesome

I thought BJB was excellent for you today. His kick was a good one, just a bit too much to the right for Mcguire to get to it. BJB is a real talent.

Bish is class, he does kick sometimes which can be frustrating when he should take the tackle, no doubt he, kallum, and clarky will all benefit from playing in a pressure final, we still need a centre, abbo has been doing a great job but just doesnt have the strike power of say a younger senior or atkins.

Burrow was very good coming off the bench, do you think we are gonna see mc play mags and burrow in the halves, with sinny at lock with mcshane on the bench this season? Im a big fan of Mcshane and feel he deserves a return to the first team

Would definately like to see mcshane back in the set up early in the season he was shoing some real promise, as for the bjb kick maybe he should havepassed inside to webb dnt think taking the tackle was thebest option as he does seem to be pushed over by a strong breeze but definately gaining some confidence in his own ability to attempt kicks like that

The kick was a good one and a good option. Tomkins did really well to cover and get something on it, but a slightly different bounce of the ball would have been impossible for him and seen McGuire and Ablett have a walk-in try. It was unlucky, as were a few other things that could have made a difference today.

I beg to differ.....if it had been the last tackle fair enough, but it wasn't. A kick is always a last ditch choice IMO. Twice now BJB has brilliantly beaten Richards on the outside in the last two Wigan v Leeds games ...but then has ruined it with an uneccessary speculative kick each time.
If he had at least taken the tackle the tackles remaining would have more guaranteed a try IMO.

I tihnk BJB is one of the best prospects in the game. But your're right about his kicking, it worked once at MM and he tries it everytime. But he was veyr unlucky it didn't result in a try. But i feel he could have taken Tomkins on.

From the kick was it not a knock on by rat boy when it hit Mags? Think it would have been a tough pass given the circumstances though it was nice he made PR look inadequate.

who pathetically tried to tackle tompkins for his try, McGuire? Swatted away.

In all fairness I expect Tomkins to swat McGuire off, he's a big strong lad. Webb was stupid going all the way across, should have held off until Tonkins HAD to go to the corner then take him out.

Along with his brain fart dropping of the high ball when under no pressure (4 points down only at this stage) it does make you wonder how he retains the FB spot above the likes of BJB - and Smith for that matter.
Webb's last good game was against Wigan at the DW....those games are few and far between.

I thought that initially when watching the game re technically knock on

I think BJB is our full back for the next 7 years and a great young talent but I posted on here he's not a winger a season or two back (TVOC will jump in here) and that effort showed it. Great stuff to skin Richards on the outside but blew it then. Not a true finisher. Did not commit Tomkins at all.

Had Scott Donald been on the right wing today I think we might have won.

Burrow was immense as he has been also season. He was the best hooker and the best scrum half for Leeds today. Out played both Dannys (mCguire and Buderus) who were mostly anonymous.

Has BJB taken a leaf out of McGuire's tactic book of kicking too often when not necessary looking for the flash-looking play instead of playing the percentages (remember the grubber kick in the semi on tackle 4 when setting up for the drop goal was the sensible play)

Both he and Watkins could be very special. Watkins made Carmont look average in defence, which he very much is not. Both are only going to get better.

BJB is a class act, him and Charnley should be the england wingers at the end of this year. Id be surprised if any of them even made the squad though.

Both very good wingers indeed but at the minute Tom Briscoe is surely a shoe in? He adds a dynamism from the wing that I'm not sure many others can.

BJB looks the business and has skinned Richards a good few times the year. I really like the look of him.

I thought Webb looked awful yesterday and he's looked awful most times I've seen him this year. I was shocked Leeds offered him a new deal, he's worse then wello

couldnt agree more with this point, just needs to back himself a bit more, he will be a class act

I think its a bit harsh to be critical of BJB. He is a young lad with enormous talent and had a very good game yesterday. Ok you could say he should have taken on the full back after beating Richards but you can equally argue that he had spotted three Leeds players inside him with only the full back to beat. He could see a pass would be blocked by Richards.

I think the kick option was the correct call. Had the kick had more height or had been further to his left the odds were greatly in favour of a try. Also a fully fit McGuire would have scored in any case.

The point is he tries it repeatedy when there are more tackles to go. As a last tackle play fair enough.

Don't get me wrong.. The guy is class ( and should be at FB )...he just needs to stop his " party piece " after the brilliance of the act in beating his man on the outside.

I disagree with you. BJB beat Richards in and out and had a split second to either try and repeat the in and out on Tomkins (who is fast) or pass inside or kick into space for the 3 Leeds players who were backing up in a line inside him.

He chose to kick (possibly McGuire shouted for this) but the odds were in our favour and had McGuire been fully fit we would have had 6 points.

Kicking should not be limited to the last tackle as a sort of panic option. The creative player should be free to kick early. Tomkins regularly kicks early with great effect.

We must not stiffle flair with hindsight comments from the stands. The lad should be encouraged to show his attacking fair using his positive attacking instincts and must not be limited by thoughts of making safe options like the mediocre majority of players. He will learn from his own experiences and get better.

I applaud the rare creative players who take risks and I welcome BJB & Watkins who should be encouraged to follow in the footsteps of the likes of John Holmes and Lewis Jones

I really think we have a great future with some of our backs the likes of Bjb ,Watkins ,Hardaker and Hall will win us many games.
At the game yesterday i actually thought there was enough room for Bish to make the corner but given the inside options i could understand why he tried the kick.
Like Juan says we have to be careful not to vilify these youngsters when they try different things and i agree he will continue to learn and get better.
For me our back division should have Hardaker ,Watkins ,an on form Smithy ,Bjb and Hall in it and if that means saying thanks and moving Webb on then i'm all for it.

I look forward hopefully to getting another shot at wigan in the playoffs and seeing bish frighten the life out of richards, bish must be his worse nightmare on the outside, hes done him a couple of times this season already, richards is a great kicker but the genuine pace he arrived in the uk with has now gone or he is just getting older

Absolutely. Some on here ( Him ? ) seem to think Webb is still worthy of selection and he has 'played well' to justify it.

I can actually only remember Webb having one good game recently (ironically against Wigan at the DW).

His dropped bomb yesterday with [ino[/i pressure and his poor effort against stopping J.Tomkins' try were all I remember in another anonymous contribution. Sad to see his demise.
With the likes of the younger, English born (non-quota using) BJB, Smith and Hardaker all more than capable of taking on the role (Watkins too has played FB) it was puzzling to say the least that he was offered the contract extension.

K.Lleulai too...why ?? What did he [ido[/i yesterday, apart from sabotage the Leeds momentum away with his brain fart charge in, after Peacock's terrific drive to the line ? ( For BJB, Smith, Hardaker you can read Amor, Ambler, Singleton)