With quite a few current players coming OOC how many would you renew ,release and where would you target replacements/improvements?
Would you look at 1 or 2 or go for a full overhaul?
Just to add would you also retain and trust the current coaching set-up to carry this out?

I would start with the coaching team and then go from there. I don't know who is available but the current "brains trust" must have locked theirs in a safe and lost the combination...

If "passing the ball more so other teams have to run more and you tire them out, thus leading to more scoring chances" is really our main tactic this season then we need to give more thought to our next coaching appointment.

On the playing front, we need new younger blood, and plenty more pace. Oh and a bit more metreage in the front row would help.

More structure, organisation and better technique both with and without the ball would be a good place to start...

The question is are we as fans prepared to go through 2 years rebuilding a side? Leeds have some exciting youngsters but they will need time to gel as a unit - a clear out is required and this will include some high profile departures. Warrington showed last night the quality required - Leeds will not get there by renewing the contracts of the likes of Bailey, Peacocok, Senior, Kylie, Kirke, Webb etc

The forwards don't hit in defense and struggle to make any yardage - but when you have 2 starting props who are both well into their 30s why do we expect anything more?

The nucleus of this side has been together since 2003/4 it needs breaking up - too much loyalty to players who have done it in the past who are no longer able to compete at the top level.

Sadly all I see is contract being handed out to likes of Senior, Peacock, Kylie, Kirke, Bailey etc - how GH thinks this will enable Leeds to improve sufficiently to challenge the top sides is beyond me.

My 17

1. Hardaker
2. BJB
3. New centre required
4. Watkins
5. Hall
6. McGuire
7. New scrum half
8. Ambler
9. McShane
10. Burgess - if he will stay - if not new prop
11. Clarkson
12. Sinfield - against the poorer sides OK but against the top sides the attack needs freshning
13. Ablett
14. Singleton
15. Hood
16. New Prop required
17. Delanney/new backrow forward.

To pad the squad out we need another young half back, a utility back to cover wing/centre, a prop and an attacking back row forward.

Leavers
Peacock - sadly his glory days are well behind him
Senior - great player but sadly passed it
Webb - Hardaker is the future in this position and he needs the opportunities
Ali - last night showed how far away he is from the players he was.
Kylie - OK against the poor sides but he really struggles when the tempo rises
Kirke - Luckiest man alive to get 3 GF rings
Buderus - if McShane is to develop he has to be given a go long term
Burrow - time for a change
Bailey - see Cross comments
JJB - too small for the modern game
Hauraki - he was terrible last night
Cross - he is bad but not as bad Bailey who contributes nothing but a big mouth

On the coaching - McDermott needs a technical type assistant that can coach defensive patterns and basic line running.

Out starting front row last night had a combined age of 99.....so Eddie said.

I would also swap bjb and Hardaker in your 17.

david, i agree with most but jjb was our best player last night. he gave it everything. buderus led from the front too. also mcdermott must go, he is simply not up to the job. those apart i agree.

The reason for me is Hardaker's game/defensive awareness - BJB doesn't seem to have that - I think Hardaker is better suited to the position IMO.

To be fair, Wire's starting front row had a combined age of 95. It's about how you use them as well as the miles on the clock.

My issue will JJB is against top sides he doesn't hit - he get driven back in the tackle too easy - I agree re his willingness but that isn't enough to compete anymore. He would be a casualty of the need for culture change

On Buderus he was amongst the best last night - but McShane will not develop if he doesn't get game time - something he seems to be getting less and less of.

I would make Buderus assistant coach next year and see how he goes - it can only be an improvement.

Compare Morley to Kylie - Morley played 60 minutes straight - Kylie managed 30 in the whole game.

i agree with alot of that sal, although id keep JJb, peacock, and buderus, id be tempted to let kirke, and bailey go, still undecided on webb but when youve got bish coming through youve got to think long term

we definately need a new centre and two top forwards.

as for a half back i know hes young and probably isnt anywhere near ready yet, but whats the opinion of marcus elliot in the 18's looks very good to me, quick with good foot work

Agree with all of this. Changing coach would not change a thing, although I do hold him responsible for last night.

The only thing I would question above is Kirke. Amazing to say it, but last few weeks he'a been a stand out positive, unlike some of his team mates.

Big changes were needed this year, 2011, it did not happen. I suspect now not enough will happen for 2012. It will be 2014 again before we go into big games confident of winning.

sorry but it think thats rubbish mate. he is a third rate coach. look at wigan, warrington and the giants who were average teams yet with the nucleus of same players but with a top class coach are all top sides

I never said he was a good coach tad, but that changing would make no difference. The problem his the tools at his disposal. It may well be that it won't work for him with any tools, but that is a different thing all together.

We had a good coach before him, a good coach who jumped before his contract ended because he knew exactly how these players had reached their end game.

His selections last nigh, and substitutions played a massive part in the scoreline, but would it really have done anything to the resul?

We change the coach and forget the playing squad, and this time next year the exact same comments will be posted by posters.

we do both darren. enough players are out of contract to make big changes.

Thats fair enough, as long as the players are not left out of the changes. Although i would also have to say that Buderus as assistant IMO would make a hug difference to McDermott.

simply put, mcdermott is not good enough no matter who his assistant is

How can you say the coach would not make a difference, its time to freshen up the squad, that includes a cull of most of the senior players, I agree with the initial selection on this post, and my starting point would be the coaching staff. Bad attitude, fitness and motivation comes from the top !!
CUT DEEP, CUT NOW!

Agree with Tad..... Buderus and JJB were the two best last night.
It was the worst possible decision to take off the former. What exactly was he thinking of ?

Makes me laugh on here when the blinkered idiots incapable of independent thought suggest we should have unquestioning unwavering support for the officially appointed management and coaching staff. The mantra that they obviously know better than forum contributers is incontrovertibly a crock of sh*t.

Sal is largely 99% right. McShane, Hardaker and others should be promoted with an eye on the future. The coach must be replaced....let Buderus (unofficially ) coach in the short term. He is the most dynamic and inspirational player we have....maybe that can be transcended into coaching.

I would question the decision to put Sinfield into the second row....agree he still has much to contribute but as a LF only. However Ablett and young Ward both demonstrate no one player should be indispensable.

Some good points on the team restructuring, but before we maybe throw the baby out with the bathwater, perhaps we should remember that going in at half time it was anybodys game.

JJB does give 100% and that would maybe mitigate his daft moments and I personally wouldn't be too upset if his contract was extended.Too small for a prop though.

Buderus, as assistant coach is an interesting one, and I hope GH is looking at that option.

Those apart, we need top down change, and every player should be told that they are playing for their future.

Time for GH to weild the big stick!

Keep Sinfield, Hall, McGuire, Clarkson and BJB.

Sign T Briscoe and Rangi chase and convert Hall to a centre

I don't think playing an 8 man team is the answer to our problems?

Obviously not but those are the only ones id be happy with i will let you guys put the rest of the team together.

Buderus played well last night but obviously not the long term solution.

Some good points raised above,

for me to re structure the management has to go first IMO. I would not trust the current management team to do the right things with the changes.

I was quite shocked at how much behind the top teams we are at the moment. There are plenty of big names who should go but probably will get new contracts on past glories.

On the list of players to get rid of I think from sal, would agree with most of it but for me I wouldn't be too upset with jjb staying and I personally think peacock is worth another year.

There needs to be some big changes from top to bottom but not sure if they will happen.

I agree with Sal Paradise.

The remaining five members of the exclusive 'MAGNIFICENT SEVEN' club need to be shown the exit door.

I'll reserve judgement on 50% of the 'FANTASTIC FOUR' members who remain brittle both physically and defensively.

If something radical isn't done what has happened at Bradford will happen at Leeds. It will interesting to see how GH goes about selling season tickets on the back of resigning Senior, Kylie, Kirke etc.