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about all Saints' talent wanting to emigrate to the NRL.
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He has it all wrong. He mentions NRL's bigger cap and the exchange rates, he thinks its a money thing, he couldn't be further from the truth. Do you think Gaz Ellis of Sam Burgess went to Oz for money? I bet that was last thing on their minds. Its all about testing yourself on the best stage and making a name for yourself. Gaz Ellis was a big name in SL but not that big in the world of rugby league, but now he is huge and has the satisfaction knowing that he could walk into any RL in the WORLD. He can retire a happy man. That along with the lifestyle is what its all about. Of course you need a bit of cash to live your life, but when your a world class player playing in SL or the NRL makes no difference as your always going to be a top earner. I've follow Luke and Sam Burgess on twitter and Luke has spent the off season with his brother in the Oz and he seems like he is having the time of his life.
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about all Saints' talent wanting to emigrate to the NRL.
www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/spo ... 7677026/2/
He has it all wrong. He mentions NRL's bigger cap and the exchange rates, he thinks its a money thing, he couldn't be further from the truth. Do you think Gaz Ellis of Sam Burgess went to Oz for money? I bet that was last thing on their minds. Its all about testing yourself on the best stage and making a name for yourself. Gaz Ellis was a big name in SL but not that big in the world of rugby league, but now he is huge and has the satisfaction knowing that he could walk into any RL in the WORLD. He can retire a happy man. That along with the lifestyle is what its all about. Of course you need a bit of cash to live your life, but when your a world class player playing in SL or the NRL makes no difference as your always going to be a top earner. I've follow Luke and Sam Burgess on twitter and Luke has spent the off season with his brother in the Oz and he seems like he is having the time of his life.
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I remember when the RFL set up a "fighting fund" to ward off interest from RU Iirc Wigan used some for Farrell and so did Saints for Cunningham then the pot was bare.
If he thinks the RFL should somehow step in and pay extra £££ to keep players in SL then he's deluded imo but we do need to keep the SL going with decent players otherwise it could become a northern hemisphere "Toyota Cup" for the NRL clubs.
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Quote ="RhinoNeil"about all Saints' talent wanting to emigrate to the NRL.
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He has it all wrong. He mentions NRL's bigger cap and the exchange rates, he thinks its a money thing, he couldn't be further from the truth. Do you think Gaz Ellis of Sam Burgess went to Oz for money? I bet that was last thing on their minds. Its all about testing yourself on the best stage and making a name for yourself. Gaz Ellis was a big name in SL but not that big in the world of rugby league, but now he is huge and has the satisfaction knowing that he could walk into any RL in the WORLD. He can retire a happy man. That along with the lifestyle is what its all about. Of course you need a bit of cash to live your life, but when your a world class player playing in SL or the NRL makes no difference as your always going to be a top earner. I've follow Luke and Sam Burgess on twitter and Luke has spent the off season with his brother in the Oz and he seems like he is having the time of his life.
If I was in the shoes of James Graham and Saints offered me £200K a year contract but then South Sydney came along and offered me a $100K a year contract I would certainly go with the latter, money cannot buy you happiness.'"
You sir would be in very much the minority.
Infact I would go as far as to say you are talking out of your anus. No way would anyone in sane mind turn down £200k for $100k, no way, absolutely no way.
What McManus is saying is spot on. The two caps of both countries should be aligned, at least in the equivalent exchange rate.
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Quote ="RhinoNeil"about all Saints' talent wanting to emigrate to the NRL.
www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/spo ... 7677026/2/
He has it all wrong. He mentions NRL's bigger cap and the exchange rates, he thinks its a money thing, he couldn't be further from the truth. Do you think Gaz Ellis of Sam Burgess went to Oz for money? I bet that was last thing on their minds. Its all about testing yourself on the best stage and making a name for yourself. Gaz Ellis was a big name in SL but not that big in the world of rugby league, but now he is huge and has the satisfaction knowing that he could walk into any RL in the WORLD. He can retire a happy man. That along with the lifestyle is what its all about. Of course you need a bit of cash to live your life, but when your a world class player playing in SL or the NRL makes no difference as your always going to be a top earner. I've follow Luke and Sam Burgess on twitter and Luke has spent the off season with his brother in the Oz and he seems like he is having the time of his life.
If I was in the shoes of James Graham and Saints offered me £200K a year contract but then South Sydney came along and offered me a $100K a year contract I would certainly go with the latter, money cannot buy you happiness.'"
You sir would be in very much the minority.
Infact I would go as far as to say you are talking out of your anus. No way would anyone in sane mind turn down £200k for $100k, no way, absolutely no way.
What McManus is saying is spot on. The two caps of both countries should be aligned, at least in the equivalent exchange rate.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You sir would be in very much the minority.
Infact I would go as far as to say you are talking out of your anus. No way would anyone in sane mind turn down £200k for $100k, no way, absolutely no way '"
Im not, personally I would want to retire with satisfaction that I archived everything in the sport. Graham has the potential to be the worlds best player as does Burgess. They are still only young. My message to Graham would be to forget about the cash (if it was ever an issue) and go out there and live your dream. Graham could spend the next 6 years in the NRL and then come back to SL, ala Morley, and get a megabucks contract to retire with. Hand on heart at a young age I wouldn't care about the money.
Quote ="Gotcha" way.
What McManus is saying is spot on. The two caps of both countries should be aligned, at least in the equivalent exchange rate.
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At the moment the sport cannot even operate under the same playing rules....Clutching at straws on aligning the salary cap I think.
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Why do you think so many Aussies previously left Aus to come here if money is not the decider?'"
Those are players that cannot reach the top, whereas Graham can. Do you think we would see Benji Marshall or Todd Carney come over to SL in 2012? NO because they want to be big household names in the NRL just like I'd want to be. |
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"Im not, personally I would want to retire with satisfaction that I archived everything in the sport. Graham has the potential to be the worlds best player as does Burgess. They are still only young. My message to Graham would be to forget about the cash (if it was ever an issue) and go out there and live your dream. Graham could spend the next 6 years in the NRL and then come back to SL, ala Morley, and get a megabucks contract to retire with. Hand on heart at a young age I wouldn't care about the money.'"
Are you seriosuly suggesting that the likes of Ryan Tandy have achieved more than the likes of Kevin Sinfield and Jamie Peacock?
Put the country issue aside, its a myth.
Quote ="RhinoNeil"Those are players that cannot reach the top, whereas Graham can. Do you think we would see Benji Marshall or Todd Carney come over to SL in 2012? NO because they want to be big household names in the NRL just like I'd want to be.'"
Had it not been for visa issues, Carney would have been playing for Huddersfield last year and for the next couple of years.
You do realise that players like Wally Lewis, Laurie Daley, Peter Sterling, Gary Jack, Alfie Langer, etc all used to play in our competition don't you?
Andy before children start derailing threads. Just to clarify RhinoNeil the bit I said you were talking out of your anus on was the view that someone would prefer £60k to go to Aus than have £200k in the UK, nothing personal. |
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You sir would be in very much the minority.
Infact I would go as far as to say you are talking out of your anus. No way would anyone in sane mind turn down £200k for $100k, no way, absolutely no way.
What McManus is saying is spot on. The two caps of both countries should be aligned, at least in the equivalent exchange rate.
Why do you think so many Aussies previously left Aus to come here if money is not the decider?'"
I'd prefer the situation to remain the same. If our players can earn more in Aus then good luck to them. I'd rather they did that than explore the possibilities in union (that is unless they're crap/deserving of one last big payout of course).
What I woulkd like to see is clubs having to pay a fee to their respective governing bodies for every player they import. That would help to reduce the number of mediocre australians ending up here and would at the same time provide compensation for players lost which could be reinvested in player development. |
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Are you seriosuly suggesting that the likes of Ryan Tandy have achieved more than the likes of Kevin Sinfield and Jamie Peacock?
Put the country issue aside, its a myth.
Had it not been for visa issues, Carney would have been playing for Huddersfield last year and for the next couple of years.
You do realise that players like Wally Lewis, Laurie Daley, Peter Sterling, Gary Jack, Alfie Langer, etc all used to play in our competition don't you?'"
 I cannot believe your trying to say that the NRL is not a vastly more appealing competition than SL. Todd Carney signed for Huddersfield because his career was on the ropes. He was SACKED by Canberra and was denied enty to the UK. Now that he has turned his life around he wouldn't dare come to SL.
Unfortunately the NRL IS a superior competition to SL. The 4 nations final showed that, any SL player in their right mind wouldn't turn down the chance to play there when a club comes calling, and no matter what McManus and his buddies try and do they will not stop it. Full stop. |
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more money
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| Quote ="flipper"more money
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Don't cha know McManus is a god. When he meets with his other gods they will have the power to switch the UK and Australian climates around.
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Are you seriosuly suggesting that the likes of Ryan Tandy have achieved more than the likes of Kevin Sinfield and Jamie Peacock?
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As the Aussies will say 'Kevin who?' 'Peacock....Ah yes the pommies front rower that never tested himself in the NRL'.'"
Which doesn't mean much considering it's from people who are likely to think the Eiffel tower is in London. |
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I understand the point everyone is making about the NRL is a superior league. Maybe not quite as superior as some people make out, but that is a different thread. The original OP says that someone would half their wage to play in the NRL. I doubt it.
Other than the quality of rugby, maybe people like JP decided to stay in the UK because of family, etc, the same reason some poms have returned to Aus? I suppose the other question would be, would you put your career over your family?
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| Quote ="west_leeds_rhino"I understand the point everyone is making about the NRL is a superior league. Maybe not quite as superior as some people make out, but that is a different thread. The original OP says that someone would half their wage to play in the NRL. I doubt it.
Other than the quality of rugby, maybe people like JP decided to stay in the UK because of family, etc, the same reason some poms have returned to Aus? I suppose the other question would be, would you put your career over your family?'"
Exatly.
Are you now chaging what you started to stay RhinoNeil?
Your OP post said someone would prefer to play in the NRL for £60k than play in UK for £200k, which I found laughable. You followed that up by saying players only come over here who can not reach the top in the NRL, despite a long list of players proving the contrary to that and only coming over infact to earn the extra money. The extra money that you said previously players would not be bothered about.
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Quote ="RhinoNeil"about all Saints' talent wanting to emigrate to the NRL.
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He has it all wrong. He mentions NRL's bigger cap and the exchange rates, he thinks its a money thing, he couldn't be further from the truth. Do you think Gaz Ellis of Sam Burgess went to Oz for money? I bet that was last thing on their minds. Its all about testing yourself on the best stage and making a name for yourself. Gaz Ellis was a big name in SL but not that big in the world of rugby league, but now he is huge and has the satisfaction knowing that he could walk into any RL in the WORLD. He can retire a happy man. That along with the lifestyle is what its all about. Of course you need a bit of cash to live your life, but when your a world class player playing in SL or the NRL makes no difference as your always going to be a top earner. I've follow Luke and Sam Burgess on twitter and Luke has spent the off season with his brother in the Oz and he seems like he is having the time of his life.
If I was in the shoes of James Graham and Saints offered me £200K a year contract but then South Sydney came along and offered me a $100K a year contract I would certainly go with the latter, money cannot buy you happiness.'"
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www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/spo ... 7677026/2/
He has it all wrong. He mentions NRL's bigger cap and the exchange rates, he thinks its a money thing, he couldn't be further from the truth. Do you think Gaz Ellis of Sam Burgess went to Oz for money? I bet that was last thing on their minds. Its all about testing yourself on the best stage and making a name for yourself. Gaz Ellis was a big name in SL but not that big in the world of rugby league, but now he is huge and has the satisfaction knowing that he could walk into any RL in the WORLD. He can retire a happy man. That along with the lifestyle is what its all about. Of course you need a bit of cash to live your life, but when your a world class player playing in SL or the NRL makes no difference as your always going to be a top earner. I've follow Luke and Sam Burgess on twitter and Luke has spent the off season with his brother in the Oz and he seems like he is having the time of his life.
If I was in the shoes of James Graham and Saints offered me £200K a year contract but then South Sydney came along and offered me a $100K a year contract I would certainly go with the latter, money cannot buy you happiness.'"
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| Quote ="RIGSBY"i suppose if it was hetherington that had come out with a statement like that he'd have been spot on though eh?'"
That goes without saying. Hetherington's statements/views are unquestioningly accepted as gospel on this board by most and rarely subjected to any critique.
McManus is wrong BTW. Super League will never be anything more than a second rate, second tier competition in comparison to the NRL and an alternative home for overseas players who aren't quite good enough, or for those in the twilight of their careers topping up their pensions. Weller Hauraki and Ben Cross being prime examples of the former and the latter.
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The NRL rightly has a higher salary cap then here because by & large they can afford it & secondly they have to withstand the threat from both the AFL & RU over there.
To respond to the initial post nobody in their right mind will forego over half their salary simply to experience the so-called lifestyle benefits.
To think otherwise is delusional.
There is only one exception to that & that would be to do voluntary or low-paid humanitarian type work in the third world or other deprived communities.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"To respond to the initial post nobody in their right mind will forego over half their salary simply to experience the so-called lifestyle benefits.'"
I'll venture that Worrincy has done precisely that. He'll be on buttons over there. |
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McManus has one sole interest - making St Helens as successful as possible on and off the field.
It's not in his best interests for Saints best players to disappear off to the NRL or rugby union. What do you expect him to do, keep quiet and just let it happen?
Whether the comment in the article about him believing Graham wants to go for a better quality of life than for the money is genuine or simply there to appease Saints fans may be debatable, but if it is true then you can hardly blame the lad for wanting to do it. He's just spent a month with the likes of Ellis and Burgess telling him how brilliant it is, of course his head is going to be turned and start to think "why not me?".
Dismiss it as "moaning" all you like, but if Kevin Sinfield and Danny McGuire had just announced they wanted to try their hand in the NRL I suspect you'd be seeing a statement with a similar tone to it coming from the Leeds club.
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If he thinks the RFL should somehow step in and pay extra £££ to keep players in SL then he's deluded imo but we do need to keep the SL going with decent players otherwise it could become a northern hemisphere "Toyota Cup" for the NRL clubs.'"
It was for Radlinski not Farrell.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I'll venture that Worrincy has done precisely that. He'll be on buttons over there.'"
So you know that Worrincey has gone for half the money (or less) than he was on here do you?
Give me some form of proof & I'll believe you.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"The NRL rightly has a higher salary cap then here because by & large they can afford it & secondly they have to withstand the threat from both the AFL & RU over there.'"
The exchange rate is responsible for the higher salary cap in the NRL. The respective salary caps were on a par when there were 3 Aus Dollars to the pound. There's now only 1.6 Aus dollars to the pound.
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The example given by the OP was an exaggeration but players have taken pay cuts to test themselves in the NRL... Ellis and Burgess being two examples... though, given the continued plummeting of the pound on the world currency markets, I suspect both players have already made up their initial shortfall. |
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"The exchange rate is responsible for the higher salary cap in the NRL. The respective salary caps were on a par when there were 3 Aus Dollars to the pound. There's now only 1.6 Aus dollars to the pound.
The example given by the OP was an exaggeration but players have taken pay cuts to test themselves in the NRL... Ellis and Burgess being two examples... though, given the continued plummeting of the pound on the world currency markets, I suspect both players have already made up their initial shortfall.'"
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The figures some people throw about like £200k as a UK SL salary make me laugh. If the Ginger Whinger was paid £200k by Saints that would leave the average salary for the remaining 24 players at Saints being £60k. Given that several other players would want to be on similar money and all salaries would have to be relative to the top earners my assumption that the very top salaries in SL are not going to be any greater than £130k to £150k. As it is the Salary Cap average, if a team spends to the maximum allowed under the cap (many don't) then it is only £66k per player!
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"The figures some people throw about like £200k as a UK SL salary make me laugh. If the Ginger Whinger was paid £200k by Saints that would leave the average salary for the remaining 24 players at Saints being £60k. Given that several other players would want to be on similar money and all salaries would have to be relative to the top earners my assumption that the very top salaries in SL are not going to be any greater than £130k to £150k. As it is the Salary Cap average, if a team spends to the maximum allowed under the cap (many don't) then it is only £66k per player!'"
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I cannot believe your trying to say that the NRL is not a vastly more appealing competition than SL. Todd Carney signed for Huddersfield because his career was on the ropes. He was SACKED by Canberra and was denied enty to the UK. Now that he has turned his life around he wouldn't dare come to SL.
