Already touched on slightly in the other thread but I think it deserves its own.

Present day or historically. Not necessarily dirty but can be if you like that kind of player.

Apparently it's Les Boyd. Who do you think it is/was? I think the fella in my sig was a tough competitor.

What's your favourite scrap during a game or the dirtiest challenge?

One scrap at Headingley springs to mind for me v Widnes when Izzard walked for it but I'm sure there are many more examples from here and overseas.

Anyone remember Tamati clothes lining Les Dyl in the challenge cup tie v Widnes at Headingley.

Chris Arkwright?

I'm pretty sure John Holmes is aware of Chris Arkwright.

Hard or dirty?

Actually, Holmes took a lot of punishment so he was a toughie.

I dont really class people like Les Boyd or Tamati hardmen because they were just thugs.

People like Jim Mills and Vince Karalius were true hard men

Burrow last Saturday

No disrespect to Mills intended, but I'm sure his career record of 13-odd sendings off contained the odd act of thuggery.

Brian mcdermott in recent times was a hard nut, remember when he floored about 3 of our lads. Shane webkie and gordan talis were also fairly hard and the latterfairly dirty

Mark Glanville would be up there for me.

Kevin Ward and Keith England, were too very uncompromising hard players.

Brian Lockwood. Played for Widnes, Hull KR, Castleford, Canterbury-Bankstown, Balmain, and of course Great Britain, part of the 1972 world cup squad and winner of Lance Todd Trophy in 1980 for Hull KR.

One for the backs - Dean Bell (don't remember him ever being dirty but was hard as nails)

I remember a fight during an academy game quite a few moons ago where every man on the pitch was involved and it spilled into the South Stand, that was quite tasty

may have been against Halifax

agreeing with bell. glanville, ward, mcdermott (semi final @ hudds when fought 3 at once)

historically was tony fisher hard or dirty?

dennis hartley?

the widnes packs that contained tamati, sorensen, gorley, moriarty et al always trod a fine line between thuggery & hardness

we had the fartown jp semi won 8-2 all penalties when gregory ws playing for them

Everyone knows the dirtiest player ever is Ryan Bailey.

Gary Mason played a short while for the London Broncos Academy, wouldn't have fancied taking him on in a fight.

Three punches and he rightly started walking before the ref even got his hand in his pocket!

He WAS the Marines' heavyweight boxing champion, mind!

Hard men for Bulls in the SL era - I'd always have Sir Bernard Dwyer up there with the best of them.

Hardest has to be Gareth Thomas. Getting close to the lads and that

It did, like the time he stood aon the players face and twisted his studs around it.

Nah then,

Nice to see some of the PFU Hall of Famers gettin a mention here. It were also good to see two members doing it old school last night at Widnes.

Thanking you kindly.

Speaking from experience?

Neil Harmon. Grrrrrr.

I've said this before - Les Boyd was not a hard man. He was a thug, a king-hit merchant who looked to take players out of the game by any means.

Among overseas players, the Kiwis of the 80s like Broadhurst and the Tamatis were proper hard men, along with the likes of Kevin Ward (who Paul Vautin rates as probably the toughest person he's ever played with).

wally lewis playing the world final with a broken arm

boyd i agree was more in the dirty & fighting category , lazarus & sironen were hard not sure whether ray price hard/dirty

Glenn Lazurus - the brick with eyes - very apt

jack hirst cas and hunslet was tough, derek "rocky" turner was also tough but could be dirty aswell but i guess in them days it was a case of get your retaliation in first. graham eccles was tough and played well above his weight trevor gillmeister was hard as nails and always seemed to have harrogans number in SOO battles

cliffie Lyons! tough as old boots he was!