...after just learning about Buderus' desire to stay on another year what now ??

Again for me McShane is obviously the future AND imo, first choice

Buderus over Diskin for me ....but hey the cap will have obviously have a major bearing on the club's decision.

Would you release Diskin who has at least 3 yrs at the top left imo after 10 yrs service for an extra 1yr with Buderus?

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Ideally no....but the club is running a business (no room for sentimentality). As long as we look after McShane as a priority then I don't really care too much about Diskin.

I just wonder how much the knee injury took out of Matt Diskin and how many/if any years it's shortened his career by.

It's not a sentimental point i'm making tbh he's done the buisness for 10yrs and been a success and still has at least 3 yrs left which is more long term than signing Buderus for 1 extra year imo.
Mcshane has stacks of potential and imo if he's handled right and he puts the work in could be the next "big thing" at Leeds but the main point is about sacrificing Disko for 1 yr of Buderus and in all honesty i wouldn't take that gamble.

OMG...sense at last!

So who do you propose we get to replace Buderus when he buggers off back to Newcastle half way through next season leaving us with one hooker?

It would also be nice for Diskin to get his No.9 shirt back.

I agree.

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Have we not got another highly rated new kid coming through the ranks ?? (Are you biased against Buderus by any chance ?)

So our hooking next season if Buderus was to leave would be shared by a player who has had limited first team experience, and one has has had hardly any?

Are you for real?

You havent thought this through have you?

You'd leave us with two inexperienced hookers?



As it happens, if Buderus perfroms like we know he can for the rest of the year I'd consider a new deal and send McShane out on loan for 12 months. That would go against what people say about McShane learning from him though.

I still dont think we should have signed Buderus though.

Why would Buderus leave if he signs to stay on for another 12 months?

If he get's injured and is out for any length of time Leeds will do what all teams have to do in that situation ... cope.

Danny put a theoretical point up before my post on this thread. I was responding to that.

Fair do's. I thought I was probably missunderstanding your point re Buderus.

I'm sure it will be Diskin and McShane next season. What people are forgetting about McShane's situation is that he will have been spoken to by the coaching staff, and no doubt told that if he shows patience he will be the rotation hooker once Buderus leaves. He hasn't been left in the dark and frozen out completely. Buderus may want to play on but I'd be very surprised if that was with us.

If Buderus shows the form from his peak then it's a tough decision to let him go.

That it is. But as I've said on another thread, I'm a big fan of his, but the club has to look a little more long term. I think Buderus' coming out and saying he fancies another year has given them a problem they didn't want or anticipate.

So our hooking next season if Buderus was to leave would be shared by a player who has had limited first team experience, and one has has had hardly any?

Are you for real?

Not if we also keep Buderus until the "youngsters" gain experience.

Is there any need for personal insults for expressing an alternative idea to yours which obviously is biased towards Diskin.


As it happens, if Buderus perfroms like we know he can for the rest of the year I'd consider a new deal and send McShane out on loan for 12 months. That would go against what people say about McShane learning from him though.

I still dont think we should have signed Buderus though.

I apologise for suggesting you might be biased against Buderus. The thing is though we DID sign him.

Having 2 hookers in the 17 doesn't work great for us or it hasn't so far. If next season Diskin and McShane are in the 17 every week and it still isn't working what do we do then?
I'd forget about how many years Diskin and Buderus have left in them because some people are saying Diskin has 3 years left and Buderus has 1. Menzies is playing at 36 and doing well, Buderus is what, 32, so he could have 3-4 years left. At the end of the season i hope the club let one go and retain the one who has shown the best form throughout the year, forget the sentimentality towards Diskin because he's won GF's, you want the best hooker for next season and for McShane to be given a chance.
IMO they should both be given a chance to play 80 minutes at hooker for a couple of games each and the best one to get the spot and the other be dropped with an extra forward on the bench and have to wait for his chance to get back in either through training hard or injury.

To save any arguments about favoratism or biased the club could just release both hookers at the end of the season, give McShane his chance and move Burrow to the impact bench role with Mags 7 and Sinni 6.
Easy enough

I would unless it was only a 1 year deal.

I would release Buderus too.

I still would like to see us go with McShane with Burrow as impact hooker and a class half back in there. But think the club will cotton on to this too late.

Edit: Posted before reading the post above.

I dont think we get the best out of either player when both in the 17, against catalans Diskin had a very good game stayed on the pitch and imposed himself, against hull buderus was left on for longer than usual and i thought he had a good game until we started to interchange. neither player can get into the game when both play and are interchanged several times a game. Leeds would in my opinion be better utilising the cap money somewhere else and not on buderus.

I dont think Buderus will be here next season. i think the only way he would be at Leeds next term would be if he took a drastically reduced contract (which i doubt he will). If he was to take a massive pay cut to free up space then i suppose mcShane could be loaned out (which im surprised he hasnt been this season).