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| To recall BJB?
With the news of the injury to Watkins, and our other 'long term' injuries, as well as reported 'knocks' to Webby, Bailey, and Buderus, is it time to recall Ben Jones-Bishop?
If Webb is injured for friday, we would normally have had Watkins or Donald covering at full back. I dont know enough about the academy to suggest that we can promote one of the players to cover there, although I would suggest that BJB is the best option.
Added to this, with the supposed 'turmoil' at Harlequins, and the run of losses that cannot be doing BJB's confidence any good, is it time to bring him back?
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| I think so. With Watkins out, he's the next most experienced replacement, unless I've forgotten someone.
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| No, BJB has been very poor since his arrival at Quins, not good enough for Leeds tbh.
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| Brian Mc hailed his first game. He also got on the scoresheet against Melbourne and made a couple of excellent try scoring tackles against us.
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"and made a couple of excellent =#FF0000try scoring tackles against us.'"
Quote ="Dave Lister"No, BJB has been =#FF0000very poor since his arrival at Quins'"
But still managed to be Harlequins best player.
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| I think we have to seriously consider it. Our strength in depth is really being tested at the moment and I don't think it would hurt to have BJB as back up given we have other 1st teamers carrying knocks
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| There seems to be some debate on other forums as to whether the contract between Leeds and Quins includes a recall clause.
Anyone recall seeing anything specific on this aspect?That would be the crux of any recall i would imagine.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"No, BJB has been very poor since his arrival at Quins, not good enough for Leeds tbh.'"
Think you need to make your mind up, as on this thread, your comments indicate you think he would be a big loss to Harlequins, and is a good player!
[urlhttp://viewtopic.php?f=27&t=448999[/url
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| Quote ="EmmaMur01"Think you need to make your mind up, as on this thread, your comments indicate you think he would be a big loss to Harlequins, and is a good player!
[urlhttp://viewtopic.php?f=27&t=448999[/url'"
I suspect he is joking and does not want you to take him back!
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| Quote ="tvoc"icon_confused.gif
But still managed to be Harlequins best player.'"
Do you not remember the 1st half - the half where Leeds broke the line so many times but never finished the chances off, part of that was to do with the full back? One tackle was when he tackled McGuire just short of the line. If he can bring McGuire down 1v1 from 10 metres out then well done to the lad.
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil" If he can bring McGuire down 1v1 from 10 metres out then well done to the lad.'"
Especially these days.
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| Quote ="speccyrhino"There seems to be some debate on other forums as to whether the contract between Leeds and Quins includes a recall clause.
Anyone recall seeing anything specific on this aspect?That would be the crux of any recall i would imagine.'"
I would have thought that any loan deal will have some sort of recall clause, even if it is that we have to give them so many weeks notice, after all it is a loan, not a transfer. Short term loans appear to have an almost immediate recall clause but with BJB being on a 'season long' loan it might be we have to give them notice.
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"Do you not remember the 1st half - the half where Leeds broke the line so many times but never finished the chances off, part of that was to do with the full back? One tackle was when he tackled McGuire just short of the line. If he can bring McGuire down 1v1 from 10 metres out then well done to the lad.'"
I think he questioned it because you said "try scoring tackles" not try saving tackles.
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| Quote ="Sam Buca"I think he questioned it because you said "try scoring tackles" not try saving tackles.'"
My bad.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"I would have thought that any loan deal will have some sort of recall clause, even if it is that we have to give them so many weeks notice, after all it is a loan, not a transfer. Short term loans appear to have an almost immediate recall clause but with BJB being on a 'season long' loan it might be we have to give them notice.'"
From our experience the reason the player is out on loan is to keep him tied with his home club and release his salary from the cap. I am guessing you are up to cap and therefore would be over if they recalled him.
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Quote ="speccyrhino"There seems to be some debate on other forums as to whether the contract between Leeds and Quins includes a recall clause.
Anyone recall seeing anything specific on this aspect?That would be the crux of any recall i would imagine.'"
How about this direct quote from the Leeds Head coach after the Festive Challenge match V Wakefield: www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/6 ... dcats.html
[iMcClennan said: "Giving young players a chance has been a club policy at Leeds for some time. We've worked very hard on the academy and I thought the young kids did really well today. =#FF0000Ben Jones-Bishop will hopefully force his way into the first team at Harlequins and we're looking for Dane Manning to do likewise at Featherstone. But it's nice to know we've got them there and we're able to recall them if we like."[/i
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Quote ="speccyrhino"There seems to be some debate on other forums as to whether the contract between Leeds and Quins includes a recall clause.
Anyone recall seeing anything specific on this aspect?That would be the crux of any recall i would imagine.'"
How about this direct quote from the Leeds Head coach after the Festive Challenge match V Wakefield: www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/6 ... dcats.html
[iMcClennan said: "Giving young players a chance has been a club policy at Leeds for some time. We've worked very hard on the academy and I thought the young kids did really well today. =#FF0000Ben Jones-Bishop will hopefully force his way into the first team at Harlequins and we're looking for Dane Manning to do likewise at Featherstone. But it's nice to know we've got them there and we're able to recall them if we like."[/i
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| Quote ="Wadski"From our experience the reason the player is out on loan is to keep him tied with his home club and release his salary from the cap. I am guessing you are up to cap and therefore would be over if they recalled him.'"
Well yer wide of the mark in this case bud.
Bjb was sent on loan for 1st team experience only because his place at leeds is blocked by Webb and the club chose to go with Watkins and Donald as cover so he gets as many 1st team SL matchs as possible at FB.
However our injuries are as such that if the club recall him we can at 24hrs notice after the 1st month.
The SC may be an issue behind other teams thinking but not in this case.
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| Quote ="Wadski"From our experience the reason the player is out on loan is to keep him tied with his home club and release his salary from the cap. I am guessing you are up to cap and therefore would be over if they recalled him.'"
Yeah I thought this too but bluey has gone on record saying he is recallable if needs be in an artical on the Leeds website
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"Yeah I thought this too but bluey has gone on record saying he is recallable if needs be in an artical on the Leeds website'"
I'm just not at the races today
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| Quote ="GiantJo"I suspect he is joking and does not want you to take him back!'"
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| is there a choice? much as i would like him to play full back at quins i think needs must
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| Quote ="tad rhino"is there a choice?'" imo no
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| One of our more esteemed posters reckons that he cannot be recalled.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"One of our more esteemed posters reckons that he cannot be recalled.'"
Brian McClennan (the Leeds Head Coach) has stated that he can.
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| Quote ="EmmaMur01"Think you need to make your mind up, as on this thread, your comments indicate you think he would be a big loss to Harlequins, and is a good player!
[urlhttp://viewtopic.php?f=27&t=448999[/url'"
Lister the dumb fook OWNED.
Quote ="GiantJo"I suspect he is joking and does not want you to take him back!'"
I suspect you too are a dumb fook who cannot see when a troll has failed dismally.
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