Without trying to jump to rash concusions after a terrible team display - Does anyone think it is going to work with Buderus and Diskin in the 17? Is it me or would anyone have preffered to have seen Kirke or Amor coming off the bench when we lacked punch?

We've won 4 GFs with just one hooker and a big bench. Why change?

Its not just based on tonights game, last season (when Bedsy fit) it didnt seem to work either. At this moment in time having Diskin on the bench seems to offer very little. Atleast with the Cunningham and Roby combo Roby makes a BIG impact off the bench. The Diskin and Buderus combo is no where near as effective.

I hope in a few weeks time this thread will prove me wrong, but at the min imo were a better team with one hooker and a big bench.

Dannys gonna get ya

So without trying to jump to rash conclusions after one defeat you go ahead and do so.





You then go on to not want to slag Diskin off then do so.





I said last year Buderus was a waste of money and was ultimately proved right.

Why have you highlighted 4 grand finals then slagged the man off who was a key part in all of those rather than one upsetting the apple cart?



Too right.

What a pudding.

Two hookers has feck all to do with making unforced error after unforced error! Let's get our completion rate something like acceptable, put together something that resembles a kicking game and then see what works and what doesn't.

As i mentioned that the combo didnt work last season either then im not just basing it on tonight.

Didnt slag disko off, just said Buderus is the better of the two. Fact.

I didnt say which one of the hookers should be eliminated from the squad...just that i would prefer to see one at a time.

Nope, can't say that. It's all the quadruple grand final winner Diskins fault.

could be worse we got three

I'm a big fan of Buderus but tonight I thought he was pretty ordinary, some of his passes were woeful but then he wasn't the only one.
Diskin did at least make at least one break, maybe more but the whole display so was so dispiriting I can't recall.
What worries me is the loss of go forward from only having 3 forwards on the bench when the conditions are so heavy.
So until the pitches dry out a little esp at home, McLennan may have to reconsider his strategy & tactics.
However, we were really hampered today by injuries that reduced our substitution options.
Still Superleague is not won in February.
Good luck to Cas they were better than us on the night.

Individually. Yes.

As part of the team? The record without him in the team at Leeds speaks for itself.

He should never have been signed.

Im not saying we lost becuase of two hookers. Sure we played shocking. We were very flat and lathargic in the second half. An extra forward would have helped a lot.

Correct, as a team we have done pretty awesome with just Diskin. I really like Buderus as he is world class, its a bit catch 22. I cant see it working with two hookers. After the success we have had with Diskin it would be foolish to drop him from the side.

The point of the thread is that i would just like to see a big big bench that doesnt include Diskin/Buderus

Fair enough.

Again mate having 2 hookers or an extra forward is by the by! We turned the ball over early in the count all night! From the backs to the pack, we blew the game without cas really braking our line. We forced our selves to play the game on our own line instead of down the other end of the park. chase' short kicking was outstanding and took the game away from us. We ripped cas appart plenty of times then threw the ball away. Cas were good for the win but the Leeds players will know they should have won that game and poor ball rentention which lead to a non existing kicking are to blame.

it's not good enough at this level

If we're going to go with 1 hooker that it must be Diskin.

Buderus was flagging badly at the end of his first stint and couldn't get to the ptb.

Having said that, I will put it down to early season lack of fitness and the god awful state of the pitch.

Quicker we get that pitch sorted the better. Eastwood was also out on his feet too.

To please JP we could of had Big Willie Mason with Buderus' wage.

If we are going to play with two hookers, why not start with Diskin when the heavy defensive work is needed and keep Buderus fresh as he will be the better impact player

neither hooker covered themselves in glory last night, diskins attempted kick to nobody when he dropped it was shocking. however neither got a quick play the ball to work off and i would expect both to get better.

You have better hooker than the pair of them in Paul McShane, i have watched him play a few times now and this kid is class, would be interested to see what you think of him.

I feel you do need 2 hookers in ya side because its the most difficult position on the field to play. But saying that i watched Huddersfield beat Bradford last night and Shaun Lunt played 62 minutes before been replaced only to return after 10 minutes rest that was a fantastic effort.

It could be argued that with Buderus instead of Diskin we could have actually won more GFs - it is unlikely that we would have won less?

Won't happen till the kick & clap lot bugger off

Due to my attention being diverted whist I adjusted the tartan rug, could someone confirm which hooker it was that bombed that cast iron try at the start of the second half.

Be a shame to castigate an innocent player for that particular piece of tery don't ya think?.....

Not on last nights shambolic performance he isnt!

The same way that made the clean break in the first place?

And he didn't bomb a cast iron try - he simply failed to keep hold of the ball when tackled. He was never going to beat the cover to the line and was duly caught.

There was one bit of quick thinking from Buderus that impressed me last night. He got us a penalty on the last tackle when he noticed the markers weren't stood square. Not only did he spot it and take advantage of it, he managed to still be in a position to offload the ball if the penalty wasn't given, which was essential on the 6th tackle.

What a stupid suggestion, anyone with eyes would have been able to see Diskin's contribution off the bench on his first spell last night. His second spell was hounded by others dropping the ball.