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| Im struggling to get my head around this one.
Starting:
8, Kylie
9, Buderus
10, JP
11, JJB
=#FF000012, Ablett
13, Sinfield
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15, Eastwood
16, Ali
17, ????
I think our starting pack is pretty much nailed on as how i have listed above, apart from Ablett. Ablett was a regular 2nd row starter last term and i think given the amount of game time he gets he could have a big season. So if we presume Ablett is starting at 2nd row.
Bluey has already said Eastwood along with Ali will be used off the bench for impact at the 20min mark. Diskin is a near on certainty to take a bench spot up. So that only leaves one bench spot for Burgess, Bailey, Pitts, Kirke and Amor.
I think Burgess is going to have a massive year, before the boxing day clash i said that, and after witnessing his motm display on boxing day im certain he will have huge year. Pitts is tipped for massive things and he will be pushing for first team action. Kirke is a 2 time SL winnner. Bailey is a 4 time SL winner. Amor has just picked up National League prop of the year.
How the hell can you choose between those 5? If you start to question Abletts spot you can make that 6! Pitts could easily find himself starting at 2nd row and Ablet dropping out if he works hard enough.
Bailey, Kirke and Ablett have had the luxury of regular SL rugby for the past 2 years i reckon these 3 are really going to have to pulls there socks up as 3 young talented lads are knocking on the door.
I would like to hear your thoughts on how do you think its going to shape up? How is Bluey going to keep this many talented young lads happy?
One thing is for sure we have one hell of a pack next season!
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| thought this myself! ablett is one of those players who for me has been awesome. discribed as crap, average by other teams fans and a few of our own. i have argued how good ablett is to others and almost been laughed at. he is underated big time which is good for me. the bench spots as you point out are very hard to call. personally i feel leeds are a better team with one hooker and 4 big lads on the bench i would like to see ali, eastwood, burgess and kirke, but also think bailey deserves a chance and amor looks ready to do some damage, not to mention pitts.
for the record i find it crazy that my own idea of how the team should work consists of disco bringing on the water. its been a long road back after the 04 injury and did himself proud last season in tough situation.
good times ahead me thinks
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| We won't be putting the same pack out every week. Simples.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"We won't be putting the same pack out every week. Simples.'" Correct Bluey has already said he intends to rotate his pack this season providing they stay healthy.
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| Gotcha has it spot on,the Coach has already stated his intention to rotate this year and put less onus on the likes of Kylie and JP.
As well as in terms of numbers there's a hell of a lot of versatillity within the squad aswell which can only bode well for us.
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Gotcha has it spot on,the Coach has already stated his intention to rotate this year and put less onus on the likes of Kylie Quote
The only way to reduce Kylie's work rate would be to leave him out.
He brings a lot to the side but its' in very short bursts. If anyone needs a burden relieving its' certainly not Kylie.
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| Quote ="G1"Quote ="rhinoms"Gotcha has it spot on,the Coach has already stated his intention to rotate this year and put less onus on the likes of Kylie Quote
The only way to reduce Kylie's work rate would be to leave him out.
He brings a lot to the side but its' in very short bursts. If anyone needs a burden relieving its' certainly not Kylie.'" '" '"
I was having a similar sort of discussion the other day about how long can JP last doing the workload that he does?
Surely he's only got another couple of seasons left in him, getting battered every week like he does has to take it's toll.
That's the main reason Amor could turn out to be a very good signing, he's a similar sort of player and he means that JP can have a rest some weeks.
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| Quote ="G1"Quote ="rhinoms"Gotcha has it spot on,the Coach has already stated his intention to rotate this year and put less onus on the likes of Kylie Quote
The only way to reduce Kylie's work rate would be to leave him out.
He brings a lot to the side but its' in very short bursts. If anyone needs a burden relieving its' certainly not Kylie.'" '" '"
I actually meant in terms of games off and that's what i should of made more clear.
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Why would a prop be after a back-rowers starting spot???
I think you've mis-read that one fella!
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Why would a prop be after a back-rowers starting spot???
I think you've mis-read that one fella!
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| Quote ="Dallas Clark"I was having a similar sort of discussion the other day about how long can JP last doing the workload that he does?
Surely he's only got another couple of seasons left in him, getting battered every week like he does has to take it's toll. '"
Careful, those kinds of assertions tend to get the JP fanboys up in arms pretty quickly.
IMO he's not been the same player for the last 12-18 months as he was in his first season at Leeds. It's a similar situation to the way Fielden has gone downhill after being asked to play 65-70 minutes every week.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Careful, those kinds of assertions tend to get the JP fanboys up in arms pretty quickly.
IMO he's not been the same player for the last 12-18 months as he was in his first season at Leeds. It's a similar situation to the way Fielden has gone downhill after being asked to play 65-70 minutes every week.'"
I wasn't debating his usefulness, he's still far and away our best forward pretty much on a weekly basis. I was just wondering how much longer he can keep going like he does, he's getting on.
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| Rotation?
Diskin, Ali, Eastwood and Burgess is the best bench in Super League.
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| I saw a few games last season in the CH and Armor was outstanding, especially for this age. I hope he gets some good game time this season as he has the potential to be one of the best young forwards in the SL.
To be fair thought with the Pack we have, even if a few players pick up injuries we have the quality to fill the position with equally good players. How many sides in the SL can say they don’t have that worry?
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| Quote ="Extreme Dave"I saw a few games last season in the CH and Armor was outstanding, especially for this age. I hope he gets some good game time this season as he has the potential to be one of the best young forwards in the SL.
To be fair thought with the Pack we have, even if a few players pick up injuries we have the quality to fill the position with equally good players. How many sides in the SL can say they don’t have that worry?
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I'd say I sawa Amor play about 10 times last season both live and on TV and never saw him have a bad game. I reckon he's got a real big part to play in the squad this year.
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| Quote ="RhinoNeil"Im struggling to get my head around this one.
Starting:
8, Kylie
9, Buderus
10, JP
11, JJB
=#FF000012, Ablett
13, Sinfield
Bench:
14, Diskin
15, Eastwood
16, Ali
17, ????
I think our starting pack is pretty much nailed on as how i have listed above, apart from Ablett. Ablett was a regular 2nd row starter last term and i think given the amount of game time he gets he could have a big season. So if we presume Ablett is starting at 2nd row.
I think Burgess is going to have a massive year, before the boxing day clash i said that, and after witnessing his motm display on boxing day im certain he will have huge year. Pitts is tipped for massive things and he will be pushing for first team action. Kirke is a 2 time SL winnner. Bailey is a 4 time SL winner. Amor has just picked up National League prop of the year.
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kirke's a 3 time winner
my pack would be :
kylie
buderus
peacock
jjb
ali
sinfield
bench
eastwood
ablett
burgess
bailey
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| Quote ="Dallas Clark"I'd say I sawa Amor play about 10 times last season both live and on TV and never saw him have a bad game. I reckon he's got a real big part to play in the squad this year.'"
Amor important role than Bailey or Burgess?
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| Quote ="Old Feller"Amor important role than Bailey or Burgess?'"
It's hard to tell. If he applies himself properly and progresses in a professional environment then I reckon he's got the potential to be infinately better than those two.
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| Quote ="Dallas Clark"It's hard to tell. If he applies himself properly and progresses in a professional environment then I reckon he's got the potential to be infinately better than those two.'"
Lets not also forget we do have 2 un18 england props also in the wings , with the right development etc etc , no shortage i would say !
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| Quote ="knockon"Lets not also forget we do have 2 un18 england props also in the wings , with the right development etc etc , no shortage i would say !'"
TBF mate we have a few decent youngsters further down the line and hopefully the new u20 comp and possible dual registration will enhance their development into challenging for a 1st team spot.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Careful, those kinds of assertions tend to get the JP fanboys up in arms pretty quickly.
IMO he's not been the same player for the last 12-18 months as he was in his first season at Leeds. It's a similar situation to the way Fielden has gone downhill after being asked to play 65-70 minutes every week.'"
Can't say I've noticed. In fact, I don't remember his first season at Leeds being particularly outstanding, but then my memory is not what it was. You have to remember he is 32 now so to get to his age as a prop playing so well still is outstanding, and with not an ounce of complaint.
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| well I can't understand anybody discounting Bailey after the season end performances. Ablett is a workhorse and I rate him but i think he may well fall behind in the pecking order and the young forwards will have to wait a little longer, but not Burgess I believe he's ready and able to start the games, glad its not my decision, but here goes
Webb
Donald
Delaney
Senior
Hall
Mcguire
Burrow
Burgess
Buderus
J P
Kirke
JJB
Sinfield
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| I'm glad we have such a strong pack with such depth. Putting pressure on each other for a place in the pack can only be good!
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| Bluey will rotate his pack next season, a fact that he has already alluded to. So all the squad players will get plenty of game time throughout the season.
So IMO all the packs chosen will prove to be a hypothetical pack, as all of these packs will probably start numerous games throughout the season
A better question would have been:
If all the squad are fit, and were playing at the top of their game, and the Rhinos made either the Challenge Cup Final or the Grand Final, then the squad that Bluey would pick would be:
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| Quote ="knockon"Lets not also forget we do have 2 un18 england props also in the wings...'"
That's just stupid. They'll be far too slow.
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