Whilst watching tonights match on sky stevo said that james graham is the best prop in superleague, now i disagree with this. If he was the best prop in superleague and he is English why is he not England's Captain and Jamie Peacock is? Yet again i personally think that there was no need for this dribble to come out of Stevos mouth.

now i disagree

Well I wouldn't expect anything else from A Whino.

The captain doesn't have to be the best player.

so why doesn't he captain England?

No but he has to be the best in his position

why?

as long as he is an automatic pick and leads by example I dont see why someone has to be the best in their position to be a captain....

well however i think peacock is better

i agree



not to say Graham wont continue to improve as he is still young. If we are honest Peacock is probably at his peak now so it will be interesting if Graham goes the way of Fielden and steadily declines as he ages or goes as Peacock has and keep improving to the high standards he sets now.

For leadership, strength, discipline, speed, agility offloads, line breaking i think JP kicks grahms ass. I am not saying JG is not a good player i am just saying at THIS MOMENT in time JP is a much better player but he is aged and has MUCH more experience than JG. Although i think JG will mature into a good player if he keeps he's head on!!

You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think Peacock is playing better than Graham at the moment. They are without any doubt the top two props in Super League, but it's Graham pulling the trees up last season and this. Of the two Graham is the form player and has the potential to get better because of his age whilst Peacock by his own admission is on the other side of the hill Graham is dragging Saints up.

So your contradicting yourself then??
On the 1 hand peacock is 1 of the best in the league but on the other he's over the hill and only graham was/is "pulling trees up".









Graham is very good and has the potential to be an all time great but he hasn't done it consistently at the top level over the number of years that peacock has.
As for pulling up trees he's caught dutch elm disease in the last 2 grand finals!!

erm no Graham could be a brill player and possibly captain of england but he has on and off weeks, whereas peacock has always been consistent

Sorry i totally disagree, another point i forgot to add, JP may be alot older but he can ALSO last longer then ginner graham can do. Peacock also gives a strong performance every single week not on and off.

Maybe Graham needs to join a club which wins Grand Finals to be recognised as a quality forward

<GH - note link to "lack of forwards" thread. Signing Graham may keep TVOC happy>

I am not contradicting myself at all. Peacock is past his best. He's what 31 now? He said in an article I read at the start of the year it's getting harder and harder to get back up and that he has to take it easy through certain periods of the season. Peacock is obviously a very fine player and has been throughout his career.

Obviously Graham hasn't done it for as long as Peaock, but that's because he's 22/23. His performances last season and this have been sensational and incredibly consistent. And my god is your constant falling back onto the Grand Finals pathetic.

but what is the whole weekly rounds geared to the grand final, a player is judged on thier success through out thier career and how consistantly well they play, now peacock has won an amazing amount of grand finals, challenge cups and world club challenges, graham has hardly won anything, peacock through out his career has been an exceptional prop and consistantly been the best prop in england, where as graham is not consistent

It's a fact that in the last 2 biggest games of the respective season's that graham hasn't matched peacock in terms of overall game time or impact so what's pathetic about mentioning that???
Graham's a very good prop but still has a long way to go and wether or not peacock says he struggle's at times he still show's his quality on the pitch.

You would like to have that option though I am sure.

You are what 9, 10 years old? No, success throughout their careers or performances throughout their careers are not relevant factors. The poll asked who is the better forward, which means now, not over whatever period suits your needs best.

Whilst on the subject though I'll think you'll find that Graham has won Super League, 3 or 4 Challenge Cups and the WCC. Not sure where you get the idea from that he's hardly won anything. I forgot to mention the Man of Steel award too.

The comment that Graham is not consistent is farcical. He won Man of Steel last season and carried Saints for large chunks of the season. This season he has scored something like 5 tries and has been our best player again.

Yeah, we've never been able to boast about Grand Final wins. I wonder what that feels like

Yeah and I am sure you did so dont call ours pathetic when they do the same.

Not at all. Saints fans are dignified to the last.

Are you currently

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Graham and Peacock are the best two prop forwards currently in SL. Having them both at Leeds would shut me up for sure but as it isn't going to happen in a month of Sundays you're probably stuck with my bleating.