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| Our great city has plenty of excerllant sporting venues ie Elland rd,South Leeds Stadium,Headingly,and a new arena being built,not to mention others that i have forgotten. So why jepordise Rugby league this great game of ours by trying to reduce the number of teams in super league simply by placing objections to the Newmarket development programme. Super league need more teams competing not less in order to develop more young talent and hopefully attain the Australians standard of rugby league. Come on Leeds council stop being selfish and look to the future after all without competition you have no sport.
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| Quote ="ISPY"Our great city has plenty of excerllant sporting venues ie Elland rd,South Leeds Stadium,Headingly,and a new arena being built,not to mention others that i have forgotten. So why jepordise Rugby league this great game of ours by trying to reduce the number of teams in super league simply by placing objections to the Newmarket development programme. Super league need more teams competing not less in order to develop more young talent and hopefully attain the Australians standard of rugby league. Come on Leeds council stop being selfish and look to the future after all without competition you have no sport.'"
were the grounds for the objection?
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| Quote ="ISPY"Our great city has plenty of excerllant sporting venues ie Elland rd,South Leeds Stadium,Headingly,and a new arena being built,not to mention others that i have forgotten. So why jepordise Rugby league this great game of ours by trying to reduce the number of teams in super league simply by placing objections to the Newmarket development programme. Super league need more teams competing not less in order to develop more young talent and hopefully attain the Australians standard of rugby league. Come on Leeds council stop being selfish and look to the future after all without competition you have no sport.'"
I don't think the objection is to the Rugby ground it's to the retail units etc that are also to be built on the site. It apparently would be detrimental to similar sites planned/already in south leeds. If the planning had been for just a Rugby ground I don't think there would have been an issue.
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| I agree leedsowl but just so we are clearthey've declined all kinds of ££££ help for LUFC but you are correct re-Yorkshire Cricket because i was there when they agreed the ££££££ deals and it was an old boys patting each other on the back because they were members of YCCC.
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| I think when councils are being stretched financially the idea of them pumping millions into facilities for the benefit of private businesses is a bit of a strange one. If Leeds Rugby want a sparkling new stand they should try an fund it themselves. One of those avenues could be a grant from the council, but if they decide that its not viable and the money should be spent on other stuff of more benefit then why should we question it?
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| Quote ="rhinoms"I agree leedsowl but just so we are clearthey've declined all kinds of ££££ help for LUFC but you are correct re-Yorkshire Cricket because i was there when they agreed the ££££££ deals and it was an old boys patting each other on the back because they were members of YCCC.'"
Historically Leeds City Council has bailed Leeds Utd out to the tune of millions of pounds. Don't you remember when LUFC was on it's and the Council bought the club from them ? They later sold it back to Leeds United when they had straightened their finances out. Their was hell of a stink kicked up by the taxpayers of Leeds.
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| But when they did that we werent in a recession which we are going into now. We had lots of spare money going around and we could afford to do it. How does it look if a council that is cutting jobs, closing public services such as swimming pools and libraries goes and throws a load of money at a private business to build a stand? Its not going to happen
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"I think when councils are being stretched financially the idea of them pumping millions into facilities for the benefit of private businesses is a bit of a strange one. If Leeds Rugby want a sparkling new stand they should try an fund it themselves. One of those avenues could be a grant from the council, but if they decide that its not viable and the money should be spent on other stuff of more benefit then why should we question it?'"
I wasn't questioning lack of funding from the council I was questioning their refusal to pass our original plans for the South Stand development. When you consider they quibbled about the height of it by a couple of metres after allowing the huge carbuncle to be built in the cricket ground that blocks out any sunlight whatsoever from properties behind it you've go to ask questions. Shadowy figures passing stuffed envelopes around springs to mind, as alluded to in a post above. Leeds Rhinos have kept this city on the sporting map for the last 8 or 9 years and I just don't understand the council digging their heels in to hold the club back.
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| Quote ="bewildered"But when they did that we werent in a recession which we are going into now. We had lots of spare money going around and we could afford to do it. How does it look if a council that is cutting jobs, closing public services such as swimming pools and libraries goes and throws a load of money at a private business to build a stand? Its not going to happen'"
See above post.
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| But the reason the southstand was rejected was because of an action group created by the residents that would affected. The council didnt make the decission itself but it had to listen to the rejection made by the action group and also said action group had the backing of local MP Greg Mullholland. Last thing we wanted was to have the same fate as the extension made on the building on Infirmary Street at cloth hall court. They exceeded their planning permission by a couple of meters and were taken to court. The court ruled in favour of the council and they have been asked to remove the extension.
This is why planning permission has to be requested. Im not fully in the know but there are many factors that have to be taken into consideration when giving it the go-ahead. If it was the case the council just said no without any justification this challenge can be over ruled by taking it above their head. However if they have justifcation, then you have to fight this and it can get very costly
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Leeds Rhinos have kept this city on the sporting map for the last 8 or 9 years and I just don't understand the council digging their heels in to hold the club back.'"
Cobblers.
You ask sports fans or members of the general public from outside the M62 corridor to name sporting teams based in Leeds, and I would quite happily bet that a much higher percentage would be able to tell you Leeds United than Leeds Rhinos.
The Rhinos would probably get about the same recognition levels as Yorkshire cricket.
The council has a job to do, namely to protect the interests of its residents. That includes ordinary households as well as businesses, indeed probably more so as businesses don't get a vote at local elections.
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"I think when councils are being stretched financially the idea of them pumping millions into facilities for the benefit of private businesses is a bit of a strange one. If Leeds Rugby want a sparkling new stand they should try an fund it themselves. One of those avenues could be a grant from the council, but if they decide that its not viable and the money should be spent on other stuff of more benefit then why should we question it?'"
Yes but they say they have made big promises in the bid they submitted to get the games,but as yet those promises are confidential but will be revealed as the tournement gets closer.What kind of promises are they?Free hotels?etc there cant be much else if its not ground improvements
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Cobblers.
You ask sports fans or members of the general public from outside the M62 corridor to name sporting teams based in Leeds, and I would quite happily bet that a much higher percentage would be able to tell you Leeds United than Leeds Rhinos.
what you say is probably right , due largely to the mass media saturation of all things round ball , and in no small part our own councils reluctance to embrace and promote the citys one major sport success story of the last 7 or 8 years .
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| The general English or British public are familiar with Headingley as a result of Botham's efforts in the 81 ashes test, for it being the site of Boycott's 100th 100 vs the Aussies & the place where Don Bradman made 300 runs in a day to win a test for Australia.
Cricket is what has put Headingley on the map not the efforts of Leeds RL or the Rhinos.
The stand that links the ground is known generally as the football stand not the rugby stand.
Sad but true.
Manchester is known the world over due to Man U, Liverpool is known through being the home of the Beatles.
The rest of the world is sadly ignorant even of the existence of Leeds.
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| Quote ="ISPY"Our great city has plenty of excerllant sporting venues ie Elland rd,South Leeds Stadium,Headingly,and a new arena being built,not to mention others that i have forgotten. So why jepordise Rugby league this great game of ours by trying to reduce the number of teams in super league simply by placing objections to the Newmarket development programme. Super league need more teams competing not less in order to develop more young talent and hopefully attain the Australians standard of rugby league. Come on Leeds council stop being selfish and look to the future after all without competition you have no sport.'"
I don't get it. Are Leeds City Council lobbying the RFL for less teams in SuperLeague? Seems a bit weird.
If they are then I would wholeheartedly support them (whilst wondering why LCC of all people are getting involved). SuperLeague needs 10 teams to become stronger, maybe 12 at a push.
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| Quote ="bewildered"This is why planning permission has to be requested. Im not fully in the know but there are many factors that have to be taken into consideration when giving it the go-ahead. If it was the case the council just said no without any justification this challenge can be over ruled by taking it above their head. However if they have justifcation, then you have to fight this and it can get very costly'"
You can appeal the decision if it is refused, simple. No Council, not even one as incompetent as Bradford's many, are going to refuse without justification. The amount of consultation involved is huge.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Cobblers.
You ask sports fans or members of the general public from outside the M62 corridor to name sporting teams based in Leeds, and I would quite happily bet that a much higher percentage would be able to tell you Leeds United than Leeds Rhinos.
The Rhinos would probably get about the same recognition levels as Yorkshire cricket.
The council has a job to do, namely to protect the interests of its residents. That includes ordinary households as well as businesses, indeed probably more so as businesses don't get a vote at local elections.'"
Cobblers.
As a follower of both Leeds Utd and Leeds Rhinos I can assure you the profile of Leeds Rhinos has soared over the last few trophy laden years whereas the profile of Leeds utd has diminished season upon season. Wayne Rooney tweeting that Leeds are "his team" in rugby terms is an indication of how our team has pricked the conciousness of plenty of people out there. For Adrian Durham on talksport to dedicate so much time talking about Leeds Rhinos, and in particular Kevin Sinfield, on a station that normally disregards Rugby League I would say that is a big indicator that our success has kept Leeds on the sporting map. Leeds Utd are lucky to get a postage stamp sized match report in the Sunday broadsheets nowadays, they don't even get a mention in most.
The council does indeed have a job to do when protecting its residents, unfortunately it seems to pick and choose when to do this. Have you walked down Kirkstall Road in the shadow of the carbuncle built in the cricket ground recently. Everyday must feel like a permanent eclipse for the unfortunates living in its shadow. Strange how the Council didn't seem to "protect" the residents on this occasion eh ? I don't mind if the Council are consistent in their actions, but it would appear they're obviously not to allow such a monstrosity to be built and then suddenly change their tune when a much smaller development is planned on the other side of the ground.
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| Tend to agree re the cricket pavilion. It looks hideous and seems to me alot larger and certainly more of a eye sore than the new southstand.
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| Quote ="leeds owl"Cobblers.
As a follower of both Leeds Utd and Leeds Rhinos I can assure you the profile of Leeds Rhinos has soared over the last few trophy laden years whereas the profile of Leeds utd has diminished season upon season. Wayne Rooney tweeting that Leeds are "his team" in rugby terms is an indication of how our team has pricked the conciousness of plenty of people out there. For Adrian Durham on talksport to dedicate so much time talking about Leeds Rhinos, and in particular Kevin Sinfield, on a station that normally disregards Rugby League I would say that is a big indicator that our success has kept Leeds on the sporting map. Leeds Utd are lucky to get a postage stamp sized match report in the Sunday broadsheets nowadays, they don't even get a mention in most.
The council does indeed have a job to do when protecting its residents, unfortunately it seems to pick and choose when to do this. Have you walked down Kirkstall Road in the shadow of the carbuncle built in the cricket ground recently. Everyday must feel like a permanent eclipse for the unfortunates living in its shadow. Strange how the Council didn't seem to "protect" the residents on this occasion eh ? I don't mind if the Council are consistent in their actions, but it would appear they're obviously not to allow such a monstrosity to be built and then suddenly change their tune when a much smaller development is planned on the other side of the ground.'"
Good post ,I agree with all your comments.The Carbunkle mostrocity, they had the opportunity to enhance the Victorian archecture in the neighbourhood it looked like someone had been doodleing and the boss said "we'll have that "yes they did allow licence to the Cricket,and there were big objections too.Also have you noticed there lloks to be more Rhinos shirts than Leeds united around the city?Isee football shirts from other clubs worn by out of town students,but not a lot of Leeds utd shirts
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Tend to agree re the cricket pavilion. It looks hideous and seems to me alot larger and certainly more of a eye sore than the new southstand.'"
It certainly is a puzzle how that one got through. I can only think of 2 possibilities; the cricket pavilion is surrounded by 'commercial' properties - hotels, shops, student flats - whereas as the South Stand backs on to private housing. Secondly the pavilion was largely funded & is used by Leeds Met Uni.
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There's a huge difference between providing a loan to keep Test cricket, something that massively benefits the local economy, in Leeds and providing a loan to help a tax exile buy some playing fields in Wetherby.
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| Quote ="ISPY"Plus money talks Pal.'"
Not sure what you mean Pal. Planning authorities are legally able to obligate developers to undertake related infrastructure works that are necessary to make a development acceptable, such as highway improvements, affordable housing, as part of a section 106 Agreement. Apart from the planning fee that's all the Council will get out of it.
Unless you are suggesting bribery Pal.
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| Quote ="ISPY"Plus money talks Pal.'"
It also swears obscenities
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