Sutcliffe has the talent but still learning centre and not a natural one. Keinhorst constantly delivers but because he wasn't tipped for big things is he slightly dismissed?

Keinhorst should get the shirt after tonight id put Sutty on the bench as a rotation BR Delaney looked out of it & Mullally must be a doubt.

I really like both sutcliffe and keinhorst. And I would want them both in my 13. Incredibly tough to fit them both in though. Personally I think keinhorst is a better centre than sutcliffe. He is very strong and always seems to find his way to the try line when playing there. Arguably one of our best players in 2016 in a losing team. Seems a shame his face doesn’t quite fit.

Both are good and would be regular players anywhere below the top 4/5 clubs, Keinhorst for me has shown and does show a little more determination to get to the line, to get to the next tackle and has a bit of a better synergy with Hall.

I don't think it's a case that his face doesn't fit. He was doing very well before injury early last season and now it's a one on one vs Sutcliffe. Does seems he isn't deemed a 2nd row though.

Sutcliffe for me. He was class at the backend of last season.

I love Jimmy at centre. His attitude and commitment can't be faulted. If it wasn't for his injury last year, I'm sure he'd have the 4 on his back. Having said that Sutcliffe needs game there to develop and find out if he can be a top class player. Jimmy should defo be in the 17 though

In my opinion Keinhorst is the classier centre as he has better footwork, makes intelligent and better running lines, and has a better defence. Sutcliffe has been solid but for me plays like a back rower in the centres and still makes too many wrong decisions.

Spot on.

Jimmy 'The Shimmy' Keinhorst for me. Always been a fan.

Good to have competition for places.

It’s a tough choice between them at centre. It’s tough to drop Keinhorst after his mom performance. Both are well ahead of Walters (who is in the WCC 19 man squad).

stick with sutcliffe for me.he could hav another decade as our LC and needs to be left alone now to learn his trade in one position. Keinhorst has proved his value to the squad and for the foreseeable future has earned his place in any 17. his utility value and no frills graft is invaluable over a season.

I think that Sutcliffe has never established himself as a first choice in any position despite being given a lot of opportunities at 6, 1, 13 and 4. He is one of those players that has never fulfilled his early promise in the same way that Ward, Walker and Golding have done. Having said that he is a more than useful squad player who can play well in several positions but not consistently well enough to claim a position as his own.

IMO he is not dynamic or creative enough on attack as a back and so I now see him as a back row forward who can fill in in several positions in the backs and as such will be a valuable member of the squad.

Keinhorst is a superior centre as he has better balance, footwork, defence and is a better reader of play shown in his lines of running and linking with his winger.

Sutcliffe can be too much of a passenger for me. He shows some good moments and potential, but he's guilty of waiting for the game to come to him rather than actively getting himself involved. Jimmy is a grafter, and does look more silky/classy, but Sutcliffe probably has more natural ability, but needs to apply hinself more.
It's Jimmy for me at the moment.

Fair points. Watkins too has a tendency to be too passive at times which leaves us offering little threat from either centre too often for my liking. Of the three I think Keinhorst is the least naturally gifted but paradoxically is most likely to make something happen.

Completely agree and have said the same thing about Watkins on here previously. It's the one flaw in Watkins game - my words are 'he needs a bit of c*nt in him. He's got all the attacking skills and nouse, very solid defensively, if he just had that desire to physically dominate everyone, he'd be almost unplayable. He's just too nice. And as for Sutcliffe, he's just too quiet and passive.

I know I started the thread but it's by no means a criticism of Sutcliffe as he's done well at centre....it's just imo that Keinhorst has been better. So keep picking Sutcliffe now in hope of what he COULD be in 3/4/5 years or pick Keinhorst who is better NOW.

Its probably worth adding that there's 4 years between them, is a year of Jimmy stunting the future? For me I'd stick with Liam to aid his development (at LC, with decent back up kicking)

If Keinhorst was 30+ then yes but he's 27 so could have 4/5 very good years at centre for us.

If Sutcliffe HADN'T come through our academy and we signed him from elsewhere would people still tip him ahead of Keinhors (especially if Keinhorst was a local Leeds lad?)

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Keinhorst is a local Leeds lad, he’s just a bit German as well.

Think both should be in the 17. Could Jimmy not play left second row?

Sutcliffe seems to be getting a lot of stick but remember he came up with the game winning try in the semi final last year and had a really good game in the GF, forcing a few drop outs.

Would probably have both in the 17, maybe starting Sutcliffe at centre and bringing Jimmy off the bench and moving Sutcliffe to back row.

I understand that at least 2 clubs are looking at Keinhorst and Leeds are not likely to stand in his way if he wants to move on. Don't know which clubs but Wakey and Hull KR are possibles. However, worth pointing out that was the position before Leeds started suffering the injury problems. Could do with Ferres and Galloway back soon.