"When the pressure has been on they've failed to win any of their last five 'big' games. The World Club Challenge in Sydney, the Challenge Cup match with Castleford and the Grand Final of 2014 were all lost, as were the World Series game with Brisbane this year and the Challenge Cup game against Hull KR. They've been unable to balance their actions with their emotions. If they don't win this match they could be labelled as 'chokers'." - Phil Clark

Are Wigan chokers?

I remember up until 2004 and even 05, 06 and the first part of 07, and again around the Cup until last year, Wigan loved to say that about us.

An attempt at reverse psychology from Mr Clarke? Some one wins and someone loses a bit early to call them chokers, they were 2 points off in the GF this year and nearly won it last with 12 men. Phil Clarke = Hysterical twonk

Totally agree. I was thinking though that it'd be good to get a perspective on the mentality that Leeds had this year to win big games from Wigan fans, and whether or not the Wigan team of 15 had it. Personally I think Clark was talking a load of cobblers. But in 03 I think Leeds Believe promo had a lot to do with the success in 04. Tackling the choker tag head on.

I was just interested in the psychology of it, but apparently it's too difficult for the Wigan Board to even think about as the topic is locked.

Choking implies losing big games that you really should be winning, or failing to perform on the big stage.

I'm not sure we can level that accusation at the 2015 Wigan side. The second half at Old Trafford didn't look like a side struggling to cope with expectations

True. Clark said it before the final though. It seemed to me when I read before the Final it was an astonishing thing to say about this Wigan team.

I saw that you had posted it on the Wigan board as well as on here. The reaction of their mods was fairly predictable, especially as the first and second to reply, missed your point and took it as a trolling. To be fair you could have made it clearer that you didn't share the view and that it came from Phil Clarke. But then I suspect that you were enjoying tweaking them a bit as well

As a relative newbie poster is it not advisable to venture onto the Wigan forum and have constructive discussions and ones that often don't portray their club in the best way?

Their Mods have a very low trolling threshold and lock threads at the drop of a hat. I've Never run foul of them myself but I don't post on their that often. Give it a go if you have something to add over there, they're generally decent enough types, similar to here just with the misfortune to have been born on't wrong side of the hill.

You can't engage them unless what you're saying is or has a hint of pro wigan.

That mob take themselves far too seriously and anyone who says otherwise is just jealous of their past success. Seemingley they've learned debating from women, you can't win.

So my current skills as recent schools debating champion won't do me any favours over there then unless i kiss some ar5e?

I'd been a member of the forum only 2 or 3 weeks before they banned me, the mods are a right set of losers. I've had plenty of run ins on other teams forums but they all accept your input unless it's way beyond reasonable boundaries. In short, the Wigan mods are sad little Hitler spotty virgins wielding the only bit of power they will ever have.

They had a Sam Burgess thread on their forum yesterday. I made a comment about why if he came to SL Leeds would be an obvious choice. The whole thread was then deleted.

You mean they merged the Burgess thread with the great big "Rumours and signings" thread, handily sticky'd at the top of the page.

Yup

Paranoid lot our Mods.........

Seemed a strange thing to consider trolling to discuss what pro pie phil said.

Well I think we're quite a bit away from being classed as chokers, the list of games we "should" have won is a bit of a tough one.
The only game on that list which left me feeling "WTF happened there" was the HKR game, a truly awful performance, as for the rest of them, Roosters away, tough by anybody's standards, Cas did a number on us, best team won, no complaints there, Saints, even with 12 men for 78 mins we were always in it, Brisbane, lost in extra time to a team that ended up being one tackle away from this years champions and this years GF, a bloody great game that could have gone either way,
In summary, I think Mr Clark was trolling with the best of them !
I'm really looking forward to next season, IMO we're short a top class centre but we won't be a million miles away, it'll be interesting to see how you men cope without the level of experience you've just lost.

Yep, Rumours and Signings, your post is still there, don't panic

Id agree. Thought the GF was still avilable to Wigan until the last minute. Maybe he was trolling but it was just a strange label to attach unecessarily.

Don't waste your time.

Anything the goons do, have done or will do is better. Even if it proves to be false, it was still right because, y'know, goons do it best.

Best flags, best stadium, best fans, best flags, best pies, best flags, best flags, best songs, best history, best future and of course.... Best flags.

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I've been posting on here since 2001 in various usernames (I drift away forget stuff and decide I can be bothered again) and I'm always interested in other fans perspectives on things that resonate with me about my love of Leeds. So, with regard to the chokers stuff, I thought it was fascinating that Phil (no really I'm not biased towards Wigan) Clarke should use that label to Wigan. If anything I'd have said the exact opposite about Wigan. The sense of entitlement to win means that they are terrible and graceless losers. From the Farrell big fat Garry schofield after match comment, to losing to 14 players last year. They think they should win. So chokers isn't a word I'd have used. But once you put the idea in people's heads .....

Look at the freefall Warrington have fallen into since losing back to back Grand Finals. Be interesting to see how Wigan react next year

So, I took Rhinos22's point and tried again with a 2016 thread on the possible impact of Clarke's label. And the thread got deleted! They will not even entertain the discussion on Clarke's comment. Now I may be a dog with a bone on this, but it would be massive if Schofield came out and called the Rhinos chokers. I for one would be spitting feathers, but even if they don't think it's a big deal - to delete the thread seems really petulant and one eyed.

Obsessed with Wigan. I wonder why that is? If you look here it may give you a BIG hint. wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... page_id=53

Obsessed with Wigan. I wonder why that is? If you look here it may give you a BIG hint. wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... page_id=53

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Obsessed with Wigan. I wonder why that is? If you look here it may give you a BIG hint. wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... page_id=53'" I imagine there is a bit of that to be honest. But why are you so obsessed with our youth teams?

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Obsessed with Wigan. I wonder why that is? If you look here it may give you a BIG hint. wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... page_id=53'" I imagine there is a bit of that to be honest. But why are you so obsessed with our youth teams?

When was the last time I mentioned your youth teams?

Don't know have no interest in looking, but generally that's why you come on here