Breaking news on Sky says that he has resigned.

How will he be viewed?

Good club coach, but ultimately found wanting at the highest level, or simply having to make do with what is available in Super League?

the world cup was poor

think he has proved everywhere at club level he is a very good coach, brought success to two of the leagues biggest underachievers, and did a good job at huddersfield.

reality is the aussies could probably stick 4 teams in that comp that would have better backs than us......

you can't polish a turd.

the boys played hard and stuck with them for 60 minutes, but JP and Moz aren't getting any younger - and in certain positions we are really really struggling.


Not sure what in the short term TS could do about that.

I think the abiding memory for me will be the way the England team for the WC was managed. On field is difficult to judge because we have performed at the same level for 15 years. The fact that the "big story" of that WC was Saints and Leeds players apparantly "not mixing well" was very dissapointing for me. Also, I think Smith reacted to that with his squad selection for this tournament. There are Saints and Leeds players who should have been in the squad, but weren't.
I was also dissapointed at the way he went to Warrington, I don't think that was in the script to start with. But I guess you can understand that to some extent.

had high hopes when TS was announced as GB/Eng coach, obviously on the back his successes at leeds. i went to oz for world cup and saw disappointing performances from eng but doubted TS was the whole problem.
i personally dont agree with the national coach being allowed to coach a super league club as well.
and after this 4 nations, where i didnt fully expect us to reach the final, there is some hope for the future with the young guns he's brought in, if the right successor is found....though i cannot think of one!

Well i think he's done a pretty good job because lets be honest hardly anyone thought we were going to get to the final and we looked very strong for the majority of the game (just the last quarter that was the problem hahaa!) but in this series we actually looked like a team rather than a group of individuals ... Good luck to him he's done a good job here, just hope there is someone else that can take over :S

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Said last night he had to go. He really wasn't up to the job, and his selection policy left a lot to be desired.
He landed on his feet at Leeds in 2004, who IMO would have probably won the title under Powell.

Message to RFL....

[size=200PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE [/size Do not give the job to Muppet MacNamara.That would be one almighty step backwards, even from Smith.

Actually, it was Leeds that landed on their feet.

I wouldn't argue about McBanana. We need Wayne Bennett. Offer him anything - just the publicity in Australia alone would be enough to boost interest in next years tournament.

It's made the front page of the bbc sport website!!

IMO I hope its a englishman that gets the job, and hopefully the RFL will look at John Kear or Brian McDermott

and maybe consider giving a certain Mr Sean Edwards a call?

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On the plus side they beat the kiwis last week and were competitive with the Aussies for an hour yesterday. He probably got a few players to play above what might have been expected of them and his overall record is no worse than his predecessors of recent years. He was also hampered by having very poor backs to select from - which has been the case since the union conveyor belt stopped.

On the downside, the world cup was a shambles off and on the field and I'd agree that selections this year reflect an inability to deal with the problems of last year. I think they also reflect the club role too - in my opinion its not a dual role position and taking the Warrington post should have terminated the England role.

Certainly not a success but no worse than others - just a different set of failings.

Should give the job to G1

Smith's more recent career has been a little bit more surprising and he seems to have taken a few different turns that he planned.

- Stated that if he left Leeds, it would probably be for an NRL post, then leaves Leeds to become national coach of England.

- After saying how much he wanted to be a national coach, then claims that he misses the day to day running of a team and takes the Warrington job.

Is he more Brian Smith than Tony Smith ?

It might just be that he tells the fans what he thinks they'll want to hear.

Or, it might be that both are true.

With the first he perhaps left Leeds sooner than he'd planned and with no opportunities offered to him in the NRL as, at the time of departure his coaching career looked to be in some decline. Then with the latter I could well believe a coach getting bored - especially one as cerebral as TS.

Im not particularly bothered about his record as GB/England coach, it could have been a lot worse but I am disappointed that he's decided to quit so soon. He came on board basically saying that we need to look long term and then goes after 3 tournaments. If we'd won last night Im fairly sure he'd have stayed on.
I've lost a lot of respect for him recently.

This has been a real blow to British RL. I think the impact of RU going professional has been far greater than is appreciated.

Maybe re Welsh players but not those from England, have you seen the quality of the english 3/4 line?
Even worse than their RL counterparts.
Why do you think they wanted Lee Smith?

The RU players though were additions to what we already had. Tait, Offiah, Devereux, Gibbs, Davies, Bateman, Bentley etc all added to the general quality of backs around the competition, and all were qualified to play for GB.

However, in addition we seemed to produce the odd gem from within RL itself - Drummond, Gill, Loughlin, Newlove, Connolly, Schofield, Robinson. That production has also seemed to dry up over recent years.

I think Smith has done the right thing. What he should add - IMO - is a very strong blast to all concerned about the damage done by imports.

His replacement? Well if you want to turn the clock back 20 years you could go for a Kear or McDermott. No problem with a younger English coach as assistant. However, if you want to move forward I'd say find an NRL coach who can work with the players to improve the technical sides of their game.

Don't confuse a badly coached backline with a talentless one. Englands problems are firmly rooted in the coaching setup (I have no idea what Rob Andrew is doing, why sack Andy Robinson and then keep the muppets who have actually been coaching the players?).
Dan Hipkiss would make a superb RL player, he's strong, direct and can offload, but he's only geting a look in the England team becauase of injuries. Cueto would be a level faster than most English RL backs, he's also strong, direct and can tackle. I can think of 6-10 English backs I would love to see playing league right now, guys like Tom Varndell, who barely gets a game for Wasps but would be comfortably the fastet thing in SL.
There are plenty of league backs that started at lower Union clubs but became top class players when they switched codes.

I'm unsure what the thinking has been behind the Union signings of league players over the last few years. They have the talent in Union and a far broader player base to choose from. But in the end clubs have money to spend and they see league as just another supermarket to shop from. I think in the case of Smith, Wasps are looking to re-build (they have had a fairly large player turnover this year I think), and Smith was just a player they were interested in - I also suspect he was cheap compared to signing a big name English Union player. I suspect he's also coached to a far higher level in the basics as well.

As much as I would love to see Edwards take charge, why the hell would he want the job?

That's got me thinking. A rarity.

The new coach is going to spend very little time with the players so I'm not convinced he'll be able to have a huge impact on the technical aspects - besides which they (the players) be at an age where most of their skills development will have taken place. Maybe a coach who can get them up for big games, give them belief etc would be more use? Someone like Brian Mclennan?

Alternatively do you go for a technician but give him the brief to have an impact at a wider level - more like David Waite's role?

I think you need someone with some level of recent knowledge of SL to understand it's strengths and weaknesses.

TBH I don't really blame him for taking the wire job. If England performed as badly as they did at the WC - which could easily have happened IMO - then he may well have been sacked in any case.

What gets me is that the Leeds fekwits who didn't like Smith will now claim they were right all along.

They weren't. Smith will go down in history for his Leeds career and rightly so.

Anyone who doesnt appreciate what he did is a clown.

You are confusing his club career with his international career. This is about him as English coach, not Leeds coach.