is a 1ng liability...

cross was,nt much better

Both of them look poor, not looked at the stats but every time I see them they both look like penalty machines.

Three dumb penalties close to our line made this harder work than it should have been - Cross for tackling marker when in posession resulting in penalty, Hauraki and Sinfield ball strips from which Elima scored twice. Yet to be impressed by Hauraki - I'd pick Pitts above him at present - but his break setting up position for Buderus' try was the best thing he's done for Leeds so far.

Both Weller & Cross need to improve their forward passing technique dramatically to become Leeds favourites, thought their passing backwards was so 1990's !!!!!!!!!!

Did we throw some forward passes tonight?

I reckon we realised that Hull KR got away with a few with Uncle Albert in charge a couple of weeks ago so we thought we'd try it too.

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Oh poor bulls fan. Look mate you need to have a good hard look at your own team and seek blame somewhere else. it's the lack of quality and ability with Both players and coaches why you lost and are crap.

Weller has moments of brilliance but far too sporadic for my liking. Cross on the other hand has yet to show me anything more than your average, ten a penny props and has a habit of conceding soft penalties.

Cross is a waste of a quota spot.

I personally thought Cross had a better game tonight obviously excluding that pointless penalty.

Are you been serious ?

Other than the penalty cross went ok. For an import he is hardly setting the world alight but neither is he making a load of schoolboy errors. Hauraki's missed tackle, error and penalty stats must make awful reading

Broke the line for our 3rd (?) try tonight.

How long have you signed him for? And Cross?

I maybe wrong but think they might both be2 years

I have said this before, there is no way we should justify using a quota spot with him considering we have Amor and Ambler by who all acounts are both going well this season, however I did think he gave a lot more go forward tonight and his defence was solid again.

I think it's a case of his performances haven't matched some peoples high expectations rather than him being necessarily poor. I think he's done ok most of the year if you take the quota spot out of it. Think that is a different argument- he's here so we can only judge what he does on the field

I'm willing to give him time. He hits the line well and made some splits tonight. Sure there are areas he needs to tighten up but he will come good.

Cross is a bona fida NRL prop, he's got safe(ish) hands, finds his front and has no self preservation instincts. With the speed of the defensive line in the NRL these are essential. Being a massive meter maker is rare in NRL props, and that's why the ones that do make big meters are seen as standouts - like Civeneciva etc.. unfortunately with the cumbersome line speed in super league, your average Joe NRL prop will never stand out. Hell, Ryan Tandy made himself a fairly successful NRL career by being able to catch, take a hit, land on his belly and then get up quick, and he really is gash.

Cross does OK – that’s it. He’s not ripping up trees or setting the world alight, he just does OK.

He’s your run of the mill, nowt special prop. Doesn’t really do much wrong (apart from the penalties) but average at best.

That's the thing our team is crying out for though. No nonsense players who don't make stupid errors on a regular basis. A pack of Bailey, Buderus, Peacock, Delaney, Ablett, Sinfield would deliver what we need right now IMO. Add any of Cross, Burgess, Leuluai and it's still pretty much no nonsense

Ateod fellas we are 11 games in the team has been low on confidence ,decimated by injuries and trying to get used to new coaches so at least give the 2 new signings a chance to settle in and see how they fair when we are near to full strength ,bang on form and playing with confidence.

Fair enough, but I'm not sure Hauraki gets near a shirt if everyone is fit. Even Cross could be struggling - is he in front of Bailey, Kylie or Biff? Add JP to that and all of a sudden we have a fairly strong looking set of front row options

Fair points Andy and well put and lets be honest IF we eventually get everyone fit then the desire for 1st team spots should bring out better in all of the squad.