His attack needs to be better as well. He has his father's pace but is even smaller in frame, not good for a RL player.

He should get a bit more composure under pressure with more first team experience, but aside from the family name what have we seen that suggests he will make it?

I’ve been getting away with it all my life…

In the 80/90s you had one dominant side in Wigan - the only full time side in northern RL and they could compete with the very best in the NRL. Furner was a bad choice but the team was already in decline. This was compounded by employing Agar who was "last man standing" and eager to have the job. Covid was a challenge for all in the sport as it was for many businesses and coming just after a massive investment in the stadium timing couldn't have been worse.

Most fans just want the team to play at "elite" level where the basic skills are performed to a high standard in an entertaining brand of rugby. The players should have a pride in their professionalism including their fitness - something sadly lacking at Leeds.

How many on here can say they look forward to attending games - how many attend because "that is what we do"

I used to really enjoy watching Murray's teams play - they were tough, skillful and totally committed plus they had real superstars in Harris,Goddin, Morley and Blackmore backed up by a host of talented players - Newton, Sheridan, Cummins etc. All topped of with a coach who understood what it was to be a fan and his joy at being in his role was evident to everyone.

I don't expect the team to win every game I just want to be entertained.

If we don't recruit the best youngsters where are they going?

My decision on Season Ticket will depend on the revue and implementation of the game rules. Which deserves its own post.

What we do, recruit etc wont influence that, but if course i want us to challenge next year.

you tell me you are the one wanting all the kids coaches sacked so you must be across it all plenty of articles and crosrefrencing you can do to join up the dots over the past few years about young players from the area at other clubs keep you busy and stop you moaning about the club all the time