It really wasn't as clear as you'll see, if you want that watch Bailey vs Fa'asavalu. Zane had his left arm up to tackle and the right arm came up a fraction after impact - if you watch a hundred tackles you'll see at least 50 where the first contact is made by the shoulder - it's not in and of itself illegal.

As for it being contact with the head. I've yet to see conclusive proof of that. He definitely impacts shoulder to shoulder and Fages whacks his head on the ground but I couldn't say for certain that his shoulder hits his head.

It was late, certainly - but nowhere near as late as I first thought.

These arguments will be being made by Leeds, and much better than I'm making them, but to imply that it's as clear cut as you're suggesting is simply wrong. It might be a shoulder charge and it might be to the head, but after watching it repeatedly the only things I know for certain are that it was late and it was hard. Those two factors do not add up to a 5 game ban.

How many times have you seen a player with concussion play the ball incorrectly and get penalised? In such circumstances it may be better if the referee told the player to play the ball again rather than penalising him.

One thing the referees seem to have forgotten about is the late flop. Two players already completed the tackle and a third falls on top. Most teams are doing it, you can see it is being coached and needs to be stopped.

I was not contradicting myself at all , just pointing out that it was a better effort to play the ball than some others on the night . You take it with Kendall please as i have no wish to speak to him . Thanks in advance .

I’d prefer that, ref makes them play the ball and waits till defenders are set. Same with moving forward off the mark just make them step back and play it again, we starting policing this a few years ago and it soon stopped.

Yep just totalling ignored nowadays. Some of us just want to see the rules of the game applied properly and consistently, not pedantically, but a decrease in intolerance if the basic rules.