Quote ="ThePrinter"Can make light of it but you can't sit and bemoan Widnes getting the same "reward" for finishing 9th as Wakey will for 12th and then downplay a team not being rewarded promotion.'"
I can because 'reward' wasn't my argument. It was yours. It is your dissonance you are highlighting. Not mine.
Quote So because YOU personally don't think Leigh are any better than Wakey they shouldn't have a clearer path to getting promoted?'"
No, I think if Leigh are better than Wakefield, they SHOULD be promoted and given a chance to actually make a good stab at it.
Quote Me definitive statements? You keep telling us that Leigh are the exact same as Wakey like its fact when it's only your opinion. I asked for details of who were these youngsters the likes of Wakey played under franchising.....not hearing any names mentioned.'"
Again, another strawman. Im not holding up Wakefield as a club who did well under franchising but as one who has previously and is again struggling under P+R. Like many other clubs. Clubs who have done what was necessary under franchising, like Castleford, Les Catalans, Widnes, who finished bottom, who blooded players instead of panic buying have a long list of players who were given a shot. Not least last years man of steel.
Quote No they wouldn't be out of the bottom 4, doesn't mean they won't be well set to successfully navigate the middle 8's. Again you make it sound like finishing bottom 4 is certain relegation. The smartest odds would on the 4 SL clubs returning up.
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Because they aren't going to take the risk. Because they aren't going to risk blooding players and giving them a shot, and going in to that season without experienced back up. That's why those sides have more overseas players and why the number as a whole has grown.
Quote It's what happened during franchising for the usual suspects even with no threat of relegation. If you can list me those many Wakey and HKR youngsters given runs in the team? Shouldn't they have a chunk of academy prospects in their first team from the last several years of non relegation comfort? Reality is the best youngsters will come from the usual suspects and I see the likes of Stevie Ward, Greenwood, George Williams and Bateman playing week in week out pushing for England call ups.'"
Do your own research. The number of overseas players at both clubs has gone up since the return to P+R
Quote But you're comparing a team trying to make a splash to gain promotion against a side who apparently should've filled their team with academy lads by now.'"
Yes, and this team team trying to get promoted are still lesser than a team which FAILING. What Wakefield have isn't good enough but it is better than where Leigh are right now. It will take time for Leigh to get where Wakefield are and even more time to overtake them. They don't have that time and their priority wont be to get there. That's why we will see them bring in players like Dayne Weston.
Quote Leigh aren't struggling to become a SL club, the system has denied them the chance. And again Leigh being a "struggling" club isn't fact, just your opinion.'"
No, its fact. They don't have an academy. They don't have big crowds, they don't even have a big stadium, they have a side filled with players who have already failed at SL level.
Quote If I said that we should never have had liscensing then you'd have a point. I actually agreed with liscensing and thought it was exactly what we needed. But that was then. For me it was never a permanent solution....just one we needed for a period of time. The sport has suffered because of it, you can't ignore the threads on this site with people becoming bored of the regular season. Should we let that continue just so we can carry on holding Wakefield's hand?'"
Again, another straw man argument, Im not arguing Wakefield need to stay in, but if Wakefield or any other side want to grow in SL they need stability. Leigh will not become a true SL club under this system. Neither will any other club and we are losing some of the improvements made by clubs who were moving towards it.