William Eve for your information I am a Rhinos fan and have been for over 50 years, I am entitled to my opinion as you are and I can make it without swearing!!! and I don't have to repeat my words "and and". That said I take your point of view, but I for one will be pleased to see the back of him. Ellery Hanley he ain't and he has done nothing at international level !!! has he? He will get mullered in the NRL. I hope he does make a success of it down under however again I am not interested in the NRL, we need to lead in our game not copy the Aussies.

when did Wilkin join and when did he get into the first team?

Not entirely sure how this thread turned into one about Jon Wilkin. But I quite like him as a pundit. He knows the game, articulates his views well and is a lot better than a number of the current "regular" staff. I think there's a career there for him when he retires. I alsd agree with those praising Jon Wells.

While he hasn't done well in some GFs (and I didn't like his whinging afterwards once or twice, but meh, bygones) he has won trophies (he did win the GF in 2006, lest we forget), and I would have given him the Lance Todd in 2006 when he was outstanding in the CC final.

I thought it was you. But I couldn't see any crude innuendo or talk of cake so I thought I was missing something.

Not quite I was talking about Wilkin, a pussy-of sorts.