IMO the main reason we were bad and Wigan were good was/is our FB, SO & SH are not anywhere near the same class as wigans, couple that with a pack that couldn't get momentum (even if it did our pivots are clueless & create few if any scoring chances)

The problem isn't anything to do with Lunt or whoever is hooker, we haven't got creative halfbacks and Webb is long overdue a rest.

Again IMO theres nothing wrong with the bulk of our squad (especially the young members) we just don't create much, when we get wins it's either by grinding down the opposition or getting a good lead by opening gaps and having good support play, usually against the lower half of the table NOT the top teams.

To sum up, a good pair of halfbacks and a fullback that is as good as Webb 4 or 5 years ago and we would back up as a top 4 side. Rob and Mags are just support players at the moment and unfortunately age is catching up with them. Love or hate Tompkins, Finch & Leuluai, they are world class and consistantly playing at a world class level, we could do alot worse than look and learn from Wigans game, much as I dislike them.

Its apple crumble not cheshire

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Does anybody know what Brian Macs win percentage is over other recent Leeds coaches .Also against other top super league coaches.
Apologies if this has been covered before but I spend some time overseas and may have missed it.

Smith is British.

Really? What with an Australian accent? Only wanted to be British when he was coaching Great Britain. He will go back to coach there soon whether he calls it home or not.