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| Quote ="Fully"Perhaps you should re-read rather than skating over the post with the same trolling disdain you h ad in your first attempt?
Nowhere did I state that Wakefield wouldn't get a new ground; I was merely pointing out that contrary to the OP's post that "Wakefield had got their stadium", there is a lot of work to be done and lots of things to resolve before building work can even begin. Then there's also the possibility of a High Court challenge, judging by the information sent out in the letter posted on your own forum.
Rather than looking for a reason to slag people off you should just be pleased you've got over the first major milestone of obtaining the necessary planning permission and keep your powder dry. Unexpected delays can be thrown up and these sorts of development, especially when you're reliant on other sources of funding in this climate, rarely go smoothly. And that's talking from experience with Cas. RE: Kinley, ditto this post.'"
The amount of time you've tried to shoot down posters over the years for pointing the obvious flaws in the Glasshoughton project is uncountable. Now here you are on the other side of the fence highlighting every possible negative of Newmarket in the same way! Do you not see the Irony? I'd also question what "experience" you had with Glasshoughton, other than to be Dickie Wrights Internet Forum Minister of propaganda! Your opinions are not based any kind of objective reasoning (like you seem to think) but a blind bias to any thing Black n Amber! Don't knock other posters for what do yourself so passionately! |
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No, I've shot down posters for being factually incorrect. There's a difference.
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| Quote ="deeHell"The amount of time you've tried to shoot down posters over the years for pointing the obvious flaws in the Glasshoughton project is uncountable. Now here you are on the other side of the fence highlighting every possible negative of Newmarket in the same way! Do you not see the Irony? I'd also question what "experience" you had with Glasshoughton, other than to be Dickie Wrights Internet Forum Minister of propaganda! Your opinions are not based any kind of objective reasoning (like you seem to think) but a blind bias to any thing Black n Amber! Don't knock other posters for what do yourself so passionately!'"
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| Mischief making on the thread headline i think!.
Congrats to those who worked hard on Wakefields application.
Its a pity the thread will turn into petty mud slinging by people who claim or think they are intelligent.
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the problem with the Newmarket scheme is not the ground what might get built, its the massive amount of green belt land what will be lost, but what dose it matter, the waky fans are over the moon, all they have to do know is get full planning, what cost Cas a load of money, and wait for all the grass to be concreted over & sold, then will Mr, Glover be paying for the architects drawings, and the planing or will some one ells
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| Quote ="frank5613"will Mr, Glover be paying for the architects drawings, and the planing or will some one ells'"
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Poor show that Kinley - I'd expect remarks like that from Bazzo but not you.'"
Why so, bazzo is a quality poster and there's nothing in my post that isn't based on Fullys constant spin on everything GH being positive and in Cas control, which clearly it isn't and probably hasn't been for a long period of time.
I have no real axe to grind but after all this time fullys argument holds little substance IMO of course, and yet there is no visible change of tac.
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| Quote ="frank5613"=#BFFF00the problem with the Newmarket scheme is not the ground what might get built, its the massive amount of green belt land what will be lost, but what dose it matter, the waky fans are over the moon, all they have to do know is get full planning, what cost Cas a load of money, and wait for all the grass to be concreted over & sold, then will Mr, Glover be paying for the architects drawings, and the planing or will some one ells'"
You really ought to do more reading and less listening to people with an axe to grind.
1. Overall there will be a net gain in green belt in the district.
2. Any objection has had more than enough time to prove this claim as being a legitimate one.
3. It was never really green belt (in the sense it was scrub pit land only) in the first place.
Let it go, it's an argument that's been shot to bits.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Why so, bazzo is a quality poster and there's nothing in my post that isn't based on Fullys constant spin on everything GH being positive and in Cas control, which clearly it isn't and probably hasn't been for a long period of time.
I have no real axe to grind but after all this time fullys argument holds little substance IMO of course, and yet there is no visible change of tac.
I want Cas to be a strong team as I see that as adding value to Wakey, and vice versa.
That's all.'"
Are you for real?
The post you replied to said - and I quote - "which is firmly outside of our control".
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| Quote ="bigalf"If you are a Wakefield ratepayer, you paid towards that!'"
You quote that as it's some kind of injustice to the rate payers. If you took your Black n Amber glasses off and think like a sports/RL fan you would see this as an excellent investment for the community. Sporting facilities that will will benefit the whole district run by a community trust. The facilities are there for all rate payers to use. Certainly a lot more fairer system than what Castlefords proposed at Glasshoughton. They wanted rate payers money to contribute to build of of Glasshoughton (the £2m land loan) then they wanted to own it and charge rent for the use of the said facilities...the cheek of it! Now that would of been a scandal if public money was used in that way! |
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| Quote ="deeHell"You quote that as it's some kind of injustice to the rate payers. If you took your Black n Amber glasses off and think like a sports/RL fan you would see this as an excellent investment for the community. Sporting facilities that will will benefit the whole district run by a community trust. The facilities are there for all rate payers to use.[u Certainly a lot more fairer system than what Castlefords proposed at Glasshoughton. They wanted rate payers money to contribute to build of of Glasshoughton (the £2m land loan) then they wanted to own it and charge rent for the use of the said facilities...the cheek of it! Now that would of been a scandal if public money was used in that way[/u!'"
I have no doubt someone will be along to tell you thats just not true or at least "spin" it a different way.
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this thread sums up their mentality, undignified, irritating and in reality have achieved nothing.
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| Quote ="Fully"Are you for real?
The post you replied to said - and I quote - "which is firmly outside of our control".
Just shows you haven't read anything in a rush to post your inflammatory responses.'"
You also wrote about pressing ahead which Is what I was referring to, an attempt IMO of you to gloss over the inevitable with yet more clutching of straws.
So I read your post clearly, it wasn't intended to be inflammatory, only my assessment of your consistent posting style.
I have long thought you would not get to GH there have been many signs along the way you have chosen to ignore or "fullyise " the content.
Now your new Chief Exec has added his doubt I thought you might have conceded defeat that you were fooled or foolish.
Clearly not!!!
I will maintain a struggling Cas is not in the best interest of Wakey and I would like to see us both pushing one another up the table and towards success.
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| Quote ="Towns88"this thread sums up their mentality, undignified, irritating and in reality have achieved nothing.'"
I disagree with your first two accusations but until we have diggers and men in hard hats on site (real ones not for publicity photos) we have got nothing.
However the amount of banging on about GH with the same lack of progress makes for a hypocritical conundrum, I'm sure you'll agree? |
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| Troll bait thread started by a troll, brilliant 
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| Quote ="frank5613"the problem with the Newmarket scheme is not the ground what might get built, its the massive amount of green belt land what will be lost, but what dose it matter, the waky fans are over the moon, all they have to do know is get full planning, what cost Cas a load of money, and wait for all the grass to be concreted over & sold, then will Mr, Glover be paying for the architects drawings, and the planing or will some one ells'"
So an ex pit is now greenbelt - better stop Glasshoughton right now
Have you read or listened to a single thing that has been said in the last 8 years. For christ sake man HOW MANY TIMES. Wakefield Trinity do not own the ground and never will, we will only ever be tenants. The stadium is being (hopefully) built for the Wakefield Sports Trust at the request of the Council in return for their support for the wider development of the NM site to benefit ALL Wakefield. You can come if you want, we can't stop you - it is technically as much yours as ours. |
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| Quote ="bigalf"If you are a Wakefield ratepayer, you paid towards that!'"
Still peddling the same big lie Alf - get over yourself and try not to look dumber than you already do.
The Councils only monetary involvement was the putting up security - a piece of council land worth 2 million to cover any risk being taken by the developer - how long this remains in place I'm not sure but it now looks certain said money will never be called. Hence no more rate payers money has been used than would be used to bring ANY development to WMDC that could provide 2000 jobs.
The same deal is available to Cas and the Glasshoughton project if they can find the rest of the cost - which as yet they have not.
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everyone needs to get real.......... neither club will have a new stadium before 2015. There are reasons for this include facts such as ...... both clubs are skint , both clubs are very poorly run in comparison with the top 4/6 clubs. Wakefield spectator base in poor in relation to its catchment area and cas are losing supporters due to having a substandard team for the past 4/5 seasons.
A new stadium for either club will not solve the massive issues such as the ones above - both clubs need to get their act together first !
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| Quote ="Gronk!"The faux-civic pride from the Polecats is almost vomit inducing too.'"
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Quote ="tttiger"everyone needs to get real.......... neither club will have a new stadium before 2015. There are reasons for this include facts such as ...... both clubs are skint , both clubs are very poorly run in comparison with the top 4/6 clubs. Wakefield spectator base in poor in relation to its catchment area and cas are losing supporters due to having a substandard team for the past 4/5 seasons.
A new stadium for either club will not solve the massive issues such as the ones above - both clubs need to get their act together first !'"
Oh for the love of go how many times - worst post yet.
Of course N/M will be built, the state of either club is utterly irrelevant WHAT DON'T YOU GET.
The Stadium belongs to the trust - the developer York Court has to build the stadium to meet his obligations under the planning approval agreed by the SOS Mr Pickles.
There will be a stadium there in 2015-16 end of - because if there isn't there won't be anything there at all. Whether it stays empty or has two SL clubs playing from it - it will get built - IT ISN'T OPTIONAL. The only issue is whether York Court can gain 40% occupancy in time which will allow building of the phase that includes the Stadium and the units that will give them a profit. They say they can. York Court cannot afford to fail in building the Stadium, that is why they had to go to such length to assure and win planning approval from the SOS.
For the last time this stadium belongs to the "Wakefield & District Community Trust" see www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... adium.html
Wakefield Trinity have no say in it's funding or ownership or who uses it. We have a long term tenancy and I suspect we may be consulted on design issues but that is all. The Council backs the trust because it needs to improve WMDC's sports facilities which were in the bottom five in the whole UK a few years back. This is a very cheap option for them as they take little risk and invest very little. Remember NM is not just a stadium, it will have all weather pitches, classrooms and indoor facilities for many sports, in a central location for all - something WMDC badly lacks.
Of course it's not set in stone just yet so why people feel the need to antagonise on here I don't know. It could still go wrong but the biggest hurdle is completed and facts need pointing out. Those who need to get real are those who see N/M as Trinity's stadium that will be built by them for them. It simply isn't the case - it belongs to us all.
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A new stadium for either club will not solve the massive issues such as the ones above - both clubs need to get their act together first !'"
Oh for the love of go how many times - worst post yet.
Of course N/M will be built, the state of either club is utterly irrelevant WHAT DON'T YOU GET.
The Stadium belongs to the trust - the developer York Court has to build the stadium to meet his obligations under the planning approval agreed by the SOS Mr Pickles.
There will be a stadium there in 2015-16 end of - because if there isn't there won't be anything there at all. Whether it stays empty or has two SL clubs playing from it - it will get built - IT ISN'T OPTIONAL. The only issue is whether York Court can gain 40% occupancy in time which will allow building of the phase that includes the Stadium and the units that will give them a profit. They say they can. York Court cannot afford to fail in building the Stadium, that is why they had to go to such length to assure and win planning approval from the SOS.
For the last time this stadium belongs to the "Wakefield & District Community Trust" see www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyl ... adium.html
Wakefield Trinity have no say in it's funding or ownership or who uses it. We have a long term tenancy and I suspect we may be consulted on design issues but that is all. The Council backs the trust because it needs to improve WMDC's sports facilities which were in the bottom five in the whole UK a few years back. This is a very cheap option for them as they take little risk and invest very little. Remember NM is not just a stadium, it will have all weather pitches, classrooms and indoor facilities for many sports, in a central location for all - something WMDC badly lacks.
Of course it's not set in stone just yet so why people feel the need to antagonise on here I don't know. It could still go wrong but the biggest hurdle is completed and facts need pointing out. Those who need to get real are those who see N/M as Trinity's stadium that will be built by them for them. It simply isn't the case - it belongs to us all.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"You also wrote about pressing ahead which Is what I was referring to, an attempt IMO of you to gloss over the inevitable with yet more clutching of straws.
So I read your post clearly, it wasn't intended to be inflammatory, only my assessment of your consistent posting style.
I have long thought you would not get to GH there have been many signs along the way you have chosen to ignore or "fullyise " the content.
Now your new Chief Exec has added his doubt I thought you might have conceded defeat that you were fooled or foolish.
Clearly not!!!
I will maintain a struggling Cas is not in the best interest of Wakey and I would like to see us both pushing one another up the table and towards success.
But making stories isn't going to make everything alright; hard work and the folk of Cas putting their hands in their pockets might.'"
Well, no, because we can press ahead when we get some sort of decision to the supermarket.
If they come back and turn us down then we can look at redeveloping GH and firm up that plan, which is what is ongoing now with Steve Ferres developing a Plan B.
If they come back and it is feasible for us then planning permission will be submitted for the Wheldon Road site and we can start looking towards ensuring that gets given the green light.
So in either way, we will be pressing ahead with plans in one form or another. There was no attempt to make it out to be some sort of easy route and we'll be in a stadium by January 2014. There are always plenty of hurdles and that was my point going right back to point 1, which you and your fellow Wakefield fans decided to jump on and have a good whinge about.
SF hasn't 'doubted' anything. He has merely suggested that we have been wholly focussed on GH but no development of a Plan B, which is correct. His comments were pointing out that it is important to develop a plan B by way of redeveloping WR. |
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How can Cas miss out if they decide to play at Newmarket, it would be there wright as you say if it gets built it has nothing to do with waky as it is a community stadium, so if it is being built for the community teams and then a team is refused permission to play there how dose that make it a place for all the community to use, so if football, RU, or all 3 pro & semi pro RL teams decide they want to use the place how can they be refused, if any team is refused its not a community stadium, so how can anybody say you might miss out, or is the community part just a roués to get it built with out the wildcats paying any bills
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