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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Hit the nail on the head there. Very few posters think so highly of themselves.'"
So you often criticise yourself then? Congrats for being so honest.
My honesty, however, extends to the fact that I do give credit where it is due and make fair and reasonable comments elsewhere.
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| I can understand the Wakey fans being bullish about next season, they have put together a useful looking squad.
However a cart load of new signings didn't help Bradford & Salford last season, and many pundits had them as top 8 shoe ins...we won't know until next february.
I think both sets of supporters should just sit back,shut up and wait for the new season. Every thread turns into the usual bitch fest and its getting boring
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| Quote ="Fully"My honesty, however, extends to the fact that I do give credit where it is due and make fair and reasonable comments elsewhere.'"
No, he was right the first time Fully - you're a complete loving hypocrite.
Semi Tadulala by the way - can't see what he'd add to CT; lovely fella, good friends with God, but over the hill.
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| Quote ="bren2k"No, he was right the first time Fully - you're a complete loving hypocrite.
Semi Tadulala by the way - can't see what he'd add to CT; lovely fella, good friends with God, but over the hill.'"
Pot calling kettle, bren, but hey ho. I don't care about your opinion nor your mine so let's leave it at that, hey?
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| Semi Tadulala will fit just fine in Castlefords set up
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| Quote ="deeHell"The fact you think your opinions are resonable and any opinions you disagree with as less so speaks volumes about yourself.
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Your obsessive hatred of Cas has always been plain for all to see on this forum and probably the reason why nobody will take your opinions seriously or accept you as anything more than a troll. Similarly your obsession with Fully is something he should probably be flattered by - it seems this would prevent you from appreciating a reasoned view if it smacked you across the face. It's a wonder you have any time left for obsessing about the team you claim to support.
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Semi Tadulala by the way - can't see what he'd add to CT; lovely fella, good friends with God, but over the hill.'"
There's absolutely no need to get personal - although you have an obsessive hatred of all things Cas; and a similar obsession with Fully as the troll quoted above.
Ultimately you've both contributed to a pretty major thread drift which I'm not going to be wasting my time cleaning up. The next steps are simply to re-read the AUP and stop derailing threads, or else...
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| Quote ="duke street 10"I can understand the Wakey fans being bullish about next season, they have put together a useful looking squad.
However a cart load of new signings didn't help Bradford & Salford last season, and many pundits had them as top 8 shoe ins...we won't know until next february.
I think both sets of supporters should just sit back,shut up and wait for the new season. Every thread turns into the usual bitch fest and its getting boring
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Well said.
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| Quote ="deeHell"“our first choice starting 17 is easily a top eight side” Now that has to be a classic statement if I’ve ever heard it! Every SL team (at least from next season) could say that about themselves. But as I’ve already said the season isn’t about your first 17 it’s about your squad!
Your loss of form after the first 7 was nothing to do with injuries it was the fact you had a favourable fixture schedule you started with. All the teams you played was in poor form, you would of no doubt won them games with squad that finished the season. Just as you would of lost the games you did with your strongest team. The reason you started losing was simply because you was playing better/inform teams.'"
So whenever we win games we are lucky because the teams are out of form and we are lucky but when he have a massive injury list of upto 12 players at a time those teams arent lucky? 0/10.
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| Not down to injuries....
There was a point last season we were struggling to put together a front row!
That kicked in our downturn in form, started off by Huby's injury.
I am sure Hull, Kr and Hudds are everyones idea of an easy set of teams to get your season going.
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| Quote ="pyeman"So whenever we win games we are lucky because the teams are out of form and we are lucky but when he have a massive injury list of upto 12 players at a time those teams arent lucky? 0/10.'"
It wouldn't of mattered because you would of lost all the game you did despite who was playing, as I said you were not equipped for the business end of the season...FACT.
Quote ="waltontiger"Not down to injuries....
There was a point last season we were struggling to put together a front row!
That kicked in our downturn in form, started off by Huby's injury.
I am sure Hull, Kr and Hudds are everyones idea of an easy set of teams to get your season going.'"
Just look at the form of the them mentioned teams ( at the time you played em), both Hull teams had a poor to average start even we beat them both in that period. Huddersfield are a team with consistency issues. They even lost away to us (in the rain) and to Crusaders.
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| Oh no's, he's used FACT at the end of his sentence, might as well pack in now folks, game over man, game over.
Tell you what cockle, when you can differentiate between opinion and fact, then, and only then, will I attempt to take any points you raise seriously. </[ipatronise[/i>
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| Quote ="deeHell"It wouldn't of mattered because you would of lost all the game you did despite who was playing, as I said you were not equipped for the business end of the season...FACT. '"
I suppose your intensive research to conclude that this is fact has included head-to-head analysis of previous game performances of the main protagonists in opposition to each other, combined with those of the missing personnel against the same players. This will also have been done for similar playing conditions and time of year, of course. You will then have calculated the offset in performance and used these data to replicate, by some type of computer modelling system, I suspect, the projected scorelines of the games. I would hope that the information used has been taken from various previous years to compensate for one-off over- and under-performances in the previous encounter that you've used. This, to be honest, sounds like valuable research and I'd dearly love to see the models used and, of course, the raw data collected. Could you post them in response to this comment, please?
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| Quote ="Georgie Best on a Bloomer"I suppose your intensive research to conclude that this is fact has included head-to-head analysis of previous game performances of the main protagonists in opposition to each other, combined with those of the missing personnel against the same players. This will also have been done for similar playing conditions and time of year, of course. You will then have calculated the offset in performance and used these data to replicate, by some type of computer modelling system, I suspect, the projected scorelines of the games. I would hope that the information used has been taken from various previous years to compensate for one-off over- and under-performances in the previous encounter that you've used. This, to be honest, sounds like valuable research and I'd dearly love to see the models used and, of course, the raw data collected. Could you post them in response to this comment, please?
Thanks.'"
Anyone that knows anything about the game make an informed judgement about whether a team is in form or not, hth. See it doesn’t have to be that complicated!
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| Quote ="deeHell":2kru1n8mAnyone that knows anything about the game make an informed judgement about whether a team is in form or not, hth. See it doesn’t have to be that complicated!
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All I'm asking for is the information that led you to this alleged fact. Unless, of course, you can't back up this rather outlandish claim which would leave you looking rather pathetic.
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| Quote ="Georgie Best on a Bloomer"I don't think anyone here would disagree with the idea that the team that played at the business end of the season was out of form. I don't think too many people are in much doubt as to the fact that the large number of injuries we sustained, especially to the forwards, was the cause of this.
But of course, that's not the point I was discussing. You said that it was a "FACT" (emphasis yours) that "you would of lost all the game you did despite who was playing" [sic.
All I'm asking for is the information that led you to this alleged fact. Unless, of course, you can't back up this rather outlandish claim which would leave you looking rather pathetic.'"
Steady on mate, it is a polecat muppet your talking to,
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| Quote ="Georgie Best on a Bloomer"I don't think anyone here would disagree with the idea that the team that played at the business end of the season was out of form. I don't think too many people are in much doubt as to the fact that the large number of injuries we sustained, especially to the forwards, was the cause of this.
But of course, that's not the point I was discussing. You said that it was a "FACT" (emphasis yours) that "you would of lost all the game you did despite who was playing" [sic.
All I'm asking for is the information that led you to this alleged fact. Unless, of course, you can't back up this rather outlandish claim which would leave you looking rather pathetic.'"
I don’t think you was particularly out of form at the business end of the season. The truth was that you playing harder and more in form teams. For all these injuries you keep moaning about, none of them were hardly star players and a few were covered by loan signing ( that probably performed better than what was injured ). What I’m claiming is that if the regular 17 that played up to Easter was to be playing at the business end you would off still lost the same game in the same manner. [size=150If you disagree please tell me which games would of gone your way had you had a full 17?
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All considered I really don’t think you was that unlucky with injuries. You have to consider that you are a one trick pony team, I don’t think anyone can deny that. What you fail to mention is the incredible good luck to had with star man Chase barely missing a game all year. Of course you’ll only see it through black and amber glasses and filter out the contrary evidence that doesn’t suite your bias view of the game.
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| All this CT fan false bravado comes from nothing but fear.
WT have finally taken steps to right the wrongs in our house, for decades you've been able to plod along (even when relegated) as CT always had the safety net of having the shambolic neighbors next door. You looked good in comparison as we bumbled from calamity to calamity.
Things have changed at WT and EVERYONE knows it.
The way I see it; there are two types of Cas fan at the moment. Those that admit they're scared of WT & those who are in denial.
We're coming after you!
- For me these games will be our cup finals, every WT fan will admit that! We have a score to settle!
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"All this CT fan false bravado comes from nothing but fear.
WT have finally taken steps to right the wrongs in our house, for decades you've been able to plod along (even when relegated) as CT always had the safety net of having the shambolic neighbors next door. You looked good in comparison as we bumbled from calamity to calamity.
Things have changed at WT and EVERYONE knows it.
The way I see it; there are two types of Cas fan at the moment. Those that admit they're scared of WT & those who are in denial.
We're coming after you!
- For me these games will be our cup finals, every WT fan will admit that! We have a score to settle!'"
Fantastic attempt at trolling, or you're even more of a deluded idiot than I already thought you were - congratulations.
Quote ="deeHell"All considered I really don’t think you was that unlucky with injuries. You have to consider that you are a one trick pony team, I don’t think anyone can deny that. What you fail to mention is the incredible good luck to had with star man Chase barely missing a game all year. Of course you’ll only see it through black and amber glasses and filter out the contrary evidence that doesn’t suite your bias view of the game.'"
Speaking of deluded morons, here's another!
Ok then, 4 props down, 2 second rowers a centre and both wingers (all starters) - take the same number out of ANY team and you'll see just how weak they get.
For example, using them numbers if you did that to the Leeds team you would lose: Peacock, Leuluai, Bailey, Whoever the 4th prop is, Ablett, Clarkson, Jones-Bishop, Hall and Senior...tell me that isn't weakened and would effect results?
As for which games would have gone the other way, straight off the bat is the Hull KR game at the end of the season, if Cas still had a pack they would have won that game with ease and there's a number of others too, but you're too much of a deluded troll to notice that.
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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"All this CT fan false bravado comes from nothing but fear.
WT have finally taken steps to right the wrongs in our house, for decades you've been able to plod along (even when relegated) as CT always had the safety net of having the shambolic neighbors next door. You looked good in comparison as we bumbled from calamity to calamity.
Things have changed at WT and EVERYONE knows it.
The way I see it; there are two types of Cas fan at the moment. Those that admit they're scared of WT & those who are in denial.
We're coming after you!
- For me these games will be our cup finals, every WT fan will admit that! We have a score to settle!'"
TBH, Wakefield have a good record against Cas in SL. Also, during the time from 2000 to 2009 Wakefield's finishing position in the league was 0.6 places better than Castleford's (if you include our time in NL1). So, where has all your unjustified paranoia come from? Both sides have been in the doldrums for the last 10 years or so. Had it been in the 1980s or 1990s when we were vastly superior to you, I could have understood this, but recently we've been fairly evenly matched.
Prime examples of bravado we've seen on here have been:
From yourself: "there are two types of Cas fan at the moment. Those that admit they're scared of WT & those who are in denial" having been written before a game has been played with new squads and new coaches.
From WTW's deehell: "you would of lost all the game you did despite who was playing". Classic rubbish that simply can't be backed up in any way shape or form.
From imwakefieldtillidie: (on next season, again with no clue as to how the team and coach perform) "I can't see you causing us too many problems. In fact, if it weren't for Rangi Chase, I don't think you'd cause any problems at all."
From newgroundb4cas: (on next season, again with no clue as to how the team and coach perform) "I think we will be well above you next season .."
Bravado:
Defiant or swaggering behaviour or a pretence of courage; a false show of bravery or disposition toward showy defiance or false expressions of courage.
All these look defiant and swaggering to me. All from Wakefield fans, too.
You like the word denial, don't you? I wonder when we'll be treated to it again on this thread.
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You fail to see the third - the Cas fan who is just bored and doesn't care about petty local rivalry between idiots.
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