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| Quote ="G.Price Fan Club"Lets not start talking about finances. Not with our past. But in truth even Fully & Alf know Ted's WTW is a different company (as well as a different beast entirely
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Cas have a good public record for paying their way. Nobody on here knows the true extent of director loans/payment to players. To their credit they pay within their means and have avoided any financial indiscretions during a very testing financial period. Fair does.
You must be paying RC a fortune though, let's not get back into figures, but that leaves you short when it comes to depth, forcing you to rely on kids, which lack experience.'"
I’m not questioning the finances of Cas what I’m questioning is how wise they have spent the budget for next season.
If your on a limited budget like us and Cas I think it’s wise to have large squad of averages players rather than one super star and a small squad of average players.
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| Quote ="deeHell"Just what relevance is that to up and coming season?'"
Had you read the post I was replying to, the point would have been quite clear.
However, for your benefit, the salient part read as follows:
[i "We were dreadful this year, but still managed to beat you and push you close a couple of times."[/i
Hence the question about relative finishing positions.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Coming from the person who likes in inflict his unbiased, fair, and totally reasonable opinion on virtually every thread on the Wakefield forum, but cries when anyone dare challenge his unbiased, fair and totally reasonable, pro-Castleford opinions on here?
For what it's worth, I think we'll do the double over you next season. We were dreadful this year, but still managed to beat you and push you close a couple of times. So with a much stronger side I can't see you causing us too many problems. In fact, if it weren't for Rangi Chase, I don't think you'd cause any problems at all.'"
Yep, that's me. Unbiased, fair and reasonable. As for every post, perhaps you'd take the time to go down each page of threads on the Wakey forum over the last month or so and tell me how many posts I've made. Very few, I'd suggest, compared to yourself and other Wakey lot.
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| Quote ="deeHell"Whether you have a stronger 17 is matter of opinion but you offer no solid evidence to convince that you have a stronger 17. I’ll repeat again because its very significant point I’m making, the 30-ish game season is not played with 17 players, do you not understand the concept of a squad game?
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No solid evidence?
Castleford strongest 17 last season 7/7 first games before injuries hit.
Wakefield, near bottom of the league.
Yes, you have improved but our first choice starting 17 is easily a top eight side. Yours is competing for top eight (and yes, that is my opinion on Wakey's squad for the season - challenging for the top eight).
As for the latter point, what relevance did that have to the fact that our strongest 17 is better than yours? In fact, what relevance does it have to the point? Where was I arguing that the season isn't X games long and you need a squad?
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| Quote ="deeHell"Ahh someone else knows him then. No doubt one of the biggest hypocrites on RL Fans!'"
If you say so cockle. I make reasonable points, I don't just argue for arguments sake. In addition to that, I also give credit where credit is due, something which you lot seem (bar a couple of people) incapable of doing. Never mind.
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| Quote ="Fully"
Yes, you have improved but our first choice starting 17 is easily a top eight side. Yours is competing for top eight (and yes, that is my opinion on Wakey's squad for the season - challenging for the top eight).
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“our first choice starting 17 is easily a top eight side” Now that has to be a classic statement if I’ve ever heard it! Every SL team (at least from next season) could say that about themselves. But as I’ve already said the season isn’t about your first 17 it’s about your squad!
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Castleford strongest 17 last season 7/7 first games before injuries hit.
Wakefield, near bottom of the league.
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Your loss of form after the first 7 games was nothing to do with injuries it was the fact you had a favourable fixture schedule you started with. All the teams you played was in poor form, you would of no doubt won them games with squad that finished the season. Just as you would of lost the games you did with your strongest team. The reason you started losing was simply because you was playing better/inform teams.
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| Quote ="Fully"If you say so cockle. I make reasonable points, I don't just argue for arguments sake. In addition to that, I also give credit where credit is due, something which you lot seem (bar a couple of people) incapable of doing. Never mind.'"
The fact you think your opinions are resonable and any opinions you disagree with as less so speaks volumes about yourself.
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| Quote ="deeHell"The fact you think your opinions are resonable and any opinions you disagree with as less so speaks volumes about yourself.
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Hit the nail on the head there. Very few posters think so highly of themselves.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Hit the nail on the head there. Very few posters think so highly of themselves.'"
So you often criticise yourself then? Congrats for being so honest.
My honesty, however, extends to the fact that I do give credit where it is due and make fair and reasonable comments elsewhere.
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| I can understand the Wakey fans being bullish about next season, they have put together a useful looking squad.
However a cart load of new signings didn't help Bradford & Salford last season, and many pundits had them as top 8 shoe ins...we won't know until next february.
I think both sets of supporters should just sit back,shut up and wait for the new season. Every thread turns into the usual bitch fest and its getting boring
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| Quote ="Fully"My honesty, however, extends to the fact that I do give credit where it is due and make fair and reasonable comments elsewhere.'"
No, he was right the first time Fully - you're a complete loving hypocrite.
Semi Tadulala by the way - can't see what he'd add to CT; lovely fella, good friends with God, but over the hill.
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| Quote ="bren2k"No, he was right the first time Fully - you're a complete loving hypocrite.
Semi Tadulala by the way - can't see what he'd add to CT; lovely fella, good friends with God, but over the hill.'"
Pot calling kettle, bren, but hey ho. I don't care about your opinion nor your mine so let's leave it at that, hey?
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| Quote ="deeHell"The fact you think your opinions are resonable and any opinions you disagree with as less so speaks volumes about yourself.
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Your obsessive hatred of Cas has always been plain for all to see on this forum and probably the reason why nobody will take your opinions seriously or accept you as anything more than a troll. Similarly your obsession with Fully is something he should probably be flattered by - it seems this would prevent you from appreciating a reasoned view if it smacked you across the face. It's a wonder you have any time left for obsessing about the team you claim to support.
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Semi Tadulala by the way - can't see what he'd add to CT; lovely fella, good friends with God, but over the hill.'"
There's absolutely no need to get personal - although you have an obsessive hatred of all things Cas; and a similar obsession with Fully as the troll quoted above.
Ultimately you've both contributed to a pretty major thread drift which I'm not going to be wasting my time cleaning up. The next steps are simply to re-read the AUP and stop derailing threads, or else...
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| Quote ="duke street 10"I can understand the Wakey fans being bullish about next season, they have put together a useful looking squad.
However a cart load of new signings didn't help Bradford & Salford last season, and many pundits had them as top 8 shoe ins...we won't know until next february.
I think both sets of supporters should just sit back,shut up and wait for the new season. Every thread turns into the usual bitch fest and its getting boring
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| Quote ="deeHell"“our first choice starting 17 is easily a top eight side” Now that has to be a classic statement if I’ve ever heard it! Every SL team (at least from next season) could say that about themselves. But as I’ve already said the season isn’t about your first 17 it’s about your squad!
Your loss of form after the first 7 was nothing to do with injuries it was the fact you had a favourable fixture schedule you started with. All the teams you played was in poor form, you would of no doubt won them games with squad that finished the season. Just as you would of lost the games you did with your strongest team. The reason you started losing was simply because you was playing better/inform teams.'"
So whenever we win games we are lucky because the teams are out of form and we are lucky but when he have a massive injury list of upto 12 players at a time those teams arent lucky? 0/10.
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| Not down to injuries....
There was a point last season we were struggling to put together a front row!
That kicked in our downturn in form, started off by Huby's injury.
I am sure Hull, Kr and Hudds are everyones idea of an easy set of teams to get your season going.
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| Quote ="pyeman"So whenever we win games we are lucky because the teams are out of form and we are lucky but when he have a massive injury list of upto 12 players at a time those teams arent lucky? 0/10.'"
It wouldn't of mattered because you would of lost all the game you did despite who was playing, as I said you were not equipped for the business end of the season...FACT.
Quote ="waltontiger"Not down to injuries....
There was a point last season we were struggling to put together a front row!
That kicked in our downturn in form, started off by Huby's injury.
I am sure Hull, Kr and Hudds are everyones idea of an easy set of teams to get your season going.'"
Just look at the form of the them mentioned teams ( at the time you played em), both Hull teams had a poor to average start even we beat them both in that period. Huddersfield are a team with consistency issues. They even lost away to us (in the rain) and to Crusaders.
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| Oh no's, he's used FACT at the end of his sentence, might as well pack in now folks, game over man, game over.
Tell you what cockle, when you can differentiate between opinion and fact, then, and only then, will I attempt to take any points you raise seriously. </[ipatronise[/i>
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| Quote ="deeHell"It wouldn't of mattered because you would of lost all the game you did despite who was playing, as I said you were not equipped for the business end of the season...FACT. '"
I suppose your intensive research to conclude that this is fact has included head-to-head analysis of previous game performances of the main protagonists in opposition to each other, combined with those of the missing personnel against the same players. This will also have been done for similar playing conditions and time of year, of course. You will then have calculated the offset in performance and used these data to replicate, by some type of computer modelling system, I suspect, the projected scorelines of the games. I would hope that the information used has been taken from various previous years to compensate for one-off over- and under-performances in the previous encounter that you've used. This, to be honest, sounds like valuable research and I'd dearly love to see the models used and, of course, the raw data collected. Could you post them in response to this comment, please?
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| Quote ="Georgie Best on a Bloomer"I suppose your intensive research to conclude that this is fact has included head-to-head analysis of previous game performances of the main protagonists in opposition to each other, combined with those of the missing personnel against the same players. This will also have been done for similar playing conditions and time of year, of course. You will then have calculated the offset in performance and used these data to replicate, by some type of computer modelling system, I suspect, the projected scorelines of the games. I would hope that the information used has been taken from various previous years to compensate for one-off over- and under-performances in the previous encounter that you've used. This, to be honest, sounds like valuable research and I'd dearly love to see the models used and, of course, the raw data collected. Could you post them in response to this comment, please?
Thanks.'"
Anyone that knows anything about the game make an informed judgement about whether a team is in form or not, hth. See it doesn’t have to be that complicated!
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| Quote ="deeHell":2kru1n8mAnyone that knows anything about the game make an informed judgement about whether a team is in form or not, hth. See it doesn’t have to be that complicated!
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All I'm asking for is the information that led you to this alleged fact. Unless, of course, you can't back up this rather outlandish claim which would leave you looking rather pathetic.
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