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| Quote ="Junglefever"If you read it all closely it's actually quite scary! I'd probably be worried if I was a WC supporter.
The objectors all claim not enough carparking (800) for a 12000 capacity stadium. to be honest it certainly doesn't seem to be enough in my opinion. Yet the club says it's been rectified! Yet the outline planning documentation still only says 800.
FWIW I actually believe the council will support this with certain conditions, however I can also see it being called in by the government, and where will that leave them?'"
I can imagine the road up to Newmarket (is it Aberford Road)? will be gridlocked before & after the game, especially around visiting time at Pinderfields.
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| Quote ="Junglefever"If you read it all closely it's actually quite scary! I'd probably be worried if I was a WC supporter.
The objectors all claim not enough carparking (800) for a 12000 capacity stadium. to be honest it certainly doesn't seem to be enough in my opinion. Yet the club says it's been rectified! Yet the outline planning documentation still only says 800.
FWIW I actually believe the council will support this with certain conditions, however I can also see it being called in by the government, and where will that leave them?'"
Wouldn't like to be stuck in the traffic by pinderfields hospital on matchdays 
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| Quote ="Junglefever"If you read it all closely it's actually quite scary! I'd probably be worried if I was a WC supporter.
The objectors all claim not enough carparking (800) for a 12000 capacity stadium. to be honest it certainly doesn't seem to be enough in my opinion. Yet the club says it's been rectified! Yet the outline planning documentation still only says 800.
FWIW I actually believe the council will support this with certain conditions, however I can also see it being called in by the government, and where will that leave them?'"
I think they are worried mate, the 22nd is a big day for their club and it could all go pear shaped if the application doesn't get a 'minded to approve' decision on Friday but I also think, like you it will get a positive outcome on Friday. IMO the scheme stacks up and while it does have a few outstanding issues and it is on Green belt the majority of the land being used is reclaimed land from the pit site. However, unlike you I am still inclined to think it won't get called in (but it is a lottery to be honest) as the word is, the new government as pushing most back and not taking any to PI's to save money. Also the Conservative Group on Wakefield MDC have already publicly backed the scheme, so that bodes well for Friday (the planning committee looks to be 40% Tory!), but also for the Coalition supporting it's local councillors and rejecting the inevitable call from now Labour controlled Leeds to take it to a PI.
As for the car parking issue you raise it is an interesting one and one that appears to be at the heart of the differences of opinions between the Highways Agency (who want more spaces, we think) and the local Highways office and planners who want less spaces and better public transport options etc, etc. The Highways Agency have been a little rubbish here to be honest, they have had the developers travel plan for some time, including several revisions and have only just replied months late and that is by way of a Section 14 notice (a tactic they use more and more because they can't keep up with the work load and with the cuts, that should get worse not better) because they have left it late to ask questions.
I am slightly inclined to agree that more spaces would be a good idea, however current national planning policy disagrees and they would be happy with less spaces! This shows you that even with Statutory Authorities there is some disagreement and one will get their way while another might not. That does not make it a valid reason to turn down any planning application, there are always ongoing difference of opinion, and in my experience delaying things (when you can of course impose a planning condition instead) is not the answer because the continue to push home their own position until such time they have to come to some sort of compromise agreement to the let the development move on. The developer has 28 days after Friday to get things agreed between them all anyway and it it does get called in then it doesn't really matter! |
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| Quote ="duke street 10"I can imagine the road up to Newmarket (is it Aberford Road)? will be gridlocked before & after the game, especially around visiting time at Pinderfields.
I had heard park & ride for home supporters had been mentioned is that right?'"
The car park is proposed to be a park and ride for serving Wakefield city centre during the week and the travel plan is proposing the laying on of special buses from both Wakefield City Centre and also places like Outwood and Wrenthorpe on match days to stop home support travelling by car.
The issue of Pinderfields access is one of the scaremonger tactics being used by the NIMBY's and doesn't have any real foundation IMO. Aberford Road is very, very busy at AM peak anyway and queues form to get into Wakefield past Pinderfields every morning. Traffic heading to and from the game will not create anything like the same amount of a problem as they have at other times, as many people who will drive will use the motorway or other routes via the A61 (Leeds Road) and come through Stanley. Of course there will be extra traffic but it is not a threat to Pinderfields access as Ouchthorpe Lane can be used instead of Aberford Road if busy. In actual fact, I would argue that Belle Vue causes more problems to Pinderfields access now on match days than the new ever development will as Chantry Bridge creates a bottleneck and backs up many access roads to Pinderfields on the city side! |
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So is Leeds City Council's leader now seriously still going to lobby central Government to hold a public inquiry on Newmarket that will cost hundred of thousands (if not into the millions) to hold and potentially turn down the opportunity of thousands of long term private sector jobs, hundreds of construction jobs as well as the resultant community sporting facilities on the border of the two cities? He surely can no longer be that hypocritical after this outburst... can he?
While the spending review is hard news on many hard working people and the country as a whole, I also think it is very good news for the future of the Newmarket development. I really can not see the Government office calling this in the 28 days following tomorrows meeting. It is just not worth turning down the opportunity of private sector employment when public sector jobs are going to be so hard hit. The Coalition have said that they need and want the private sector to take up the slack, coupled with the investment of Wakefield College to increase practical further eduction and therefore needed skilled workers in the hospitality, leisure and sporting sectors.
This has to be a no-brainer now surely, appease a small number of relatively affluent NIMBY's in Methley and Rothwell or create employment and training opportunities in the region many people who need them. Wakefield MDC, Leeds City Council and Central Government would be plain stupid to turn down such an opportunity in this climate!
I am sure that Wakefield MDC and Central Government will make the right and only choice and let Yorkcourt get on with this much needed regional investment.
We all love this great game we call Rugby League, can we not all put our own allegiances aside, like I have done with mine, and see that this development is much, much more than just about a stadium for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. It is about opportunities, jobs, education and training for all ages of people in the district and region. I know that supporters from both sides are worried that been to seen to back each others developments with what we all understand are still factors that are difficult to predict and plans that may work or worryingly fail and leave one OR both clubs not playing in the top flight of our great game is hard to swallow.... even as a Leeds Rhino, I know that because it is all supporters worst nightmare! But it is my greatest hope that both clubs and both sets of fans get what they want and will be playing at new purpose built facilities at Glasshoughton and a Community Stadium at Newmarket. I will take great pride and honestly look forward to standing on the terraces of both grounds as the team I love, like you love yours, walk out to take on two of the games most historic names and teams, Castleford Tiger and Wakefield Trinity Wildcats!
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So is Leeds City Council's leader now seriously still going to lobby central Government to hold a public inquiry on Newmarket that will cost hundred of thousands (if not into the millions) to hold and potentially turn down the opportunity of thousands of long term private sector jobs, hundreds of construction jobs as well as the resultant community sporting facilities on the border of the two cities? He surely can no longer be that hypocritical after this outburst... can he?
While the spending review is hard news on many hard working people and the country as a whole, I also think it is very good news for the future of the Newmarket development. I really can not see the Government office calling this in the 28 days following tomorrows meeting. It is just not worth turning down the opportunity of private sector employment when public sector jobs are going to be so hard hit. The Coalition have said that they need and want the private sector to take up the slack, coupled with the investment of Wakefield College to increase practical further eduction and therefore needed skilled workers in the hospitality, leisure and sporting sectors.
This has to be a no-brainer now surely, appease a small number of relatively affluent NIMBY's in Methley and Rothwell or create employment and training opportunities in the region many people who need them. Wakefield MDC, Leeds City Council and Central Government would be plain stupid to turn down such an opportunity in this climate!
I am sure that Wakefield MDC and Central Government will make the right and only choice and let Yorkcourt get on with this much needed regional investment.
We all love this great game we call Rugby League, can we not all put our own allegiances aside, like I have done with mine, and see that this development is much, much more than just about a stadium for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. It is about opportunities, jobs, education and training for all ages of people in the district and region. I know that supporters from both sides are worried that been to seen to back each others developments with what we all understand are still factors that are difficult to predict and plans that may work or worryingly fail and leave one OR both clubs not playing in the top flight of our great game is hard to swallow.... even as a Leeds Rhino, I know that because it is all supporters worst nightmare! But it is my greatest hope that both clubs and both sets of fans get what they want and will be playing at new purpose built facilities at Glasshoughton and a Community Stadium at Newmarket. I will take great pride and honestly look forward to standing on the terraces of both grounds as the team I love, like you love yours, walk out to take on two of the games most historic names and teams, Castleford Tiger and Wakefield Trinity Wildcats!
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Granted according to their forum. Have we just slipped into last place in the whacky franchise race....can Dick Dastardly still save the day for Cas?????.
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"Granted according to their forum. Have we just slipped into last place in the whacky franchise race....can Dick Dastardly still save the day for Cas?????.'"
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Have we?
Congratulations to Wakey, but they've achieved the first step that we made four years ago??
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A great day for Wakey certainly, and a great day for RL in general.
Regarding our own ground, it seems we're being spun another false date by the BOD - planning permission meant to be submitted in October? Well October only has a week to run and we haven't heard anything for ages...
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| Quote ="tb"Have we?
Congratulations to Wakey, but they've achieved the first step that we made four years ago??'"
The truth is both schemes are no longer connected in any way IMO and you simply can't compare the two. By this I mean both projects are out of the hands of the respective clubs and very much dependent on the respective developers. It's a case now of which one has most in place and can move quickest. In the current financial crisis nothing is certain but none the less it's a massive advance from the Thornes wreckage of two years ago. Which at least gives me the impression that there is a sense of urgency about our scheme which makes me feel hopefull.
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| Quote ="tb"Have we?
Congratulations to Wakey, but they've achieved the first step that we made four years ago??'"
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| Salford, Cas and Wakefield all now have planning permission. If all 3 press on, then I fear one of them may well go out of business when they get the chop from SL. You can't build a new stadium in the championship without major investment from the council. The sponsor money just isn't there.
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| Quote ="tb"Have we?
Congratulations to Wakey, but they've achieved the first step that we made four years ago??'"
We can't play any delaying tactics now that's for sure.
If we hit every one of those dates Wright has pin-pointed - we'll be fine.
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| Quote ="who needs flankers?"Salford, Cas and Wakefield all now have planning permission. If all 3 press on, then I fear one of them may well go out of business when they get the chop from SL. You can't build a new stadium in the championship without major investment from the council. The sponsor money just isn't there.
It isn't a battle for a licence anymore it could be a battle for the existance of the club. 3 teams, 3 stadiums 2 places.
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| Quote ="JINJER"And how do Super league kick any of the clubs you mention out of the league if they all hit the criterea?I'd suggest they'd have to expand by one.'"
They've already said they will keep it at 14, and that one club is definatly going up, so we may well end up with a club being demoted for one with a poorer franchise application. |
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That'd be an interesting court case!!
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Good luck both sides, to save the derby, but it's looking like we'll send Cas down a 3rd time.
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| Quote ="JINJER"And how do Super league kick any of the clubs you mention out of the league if they all hit the criterea?I'd suggest they'd have to expand by one.'"
if all three are in new stadia by the start of 2012 then maybe the microscope may start to widen, teams such as hull kr and bradford may still not be safe.
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Dickies latest blog
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Suprised at the bit where he said that they are still in talks with Ben Baily. A couple of weeks ago some here said that it was a done deal, infact even Dicke said it was a done deal in the Cas and Ponti. Some on here going as far as to say £6m was paid for Weldon Road. Intresting stuff  |
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Suprised at the bit where he said that they are still in talks with Ben Baily. A couple of weeks ago some here said that it was a done deal, infact even Dicke said it was a done deal in the Cas and Ponti. Some on here going as far as to say £6m was paid for Weldon Road. Intresting stuff | |
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| Quote ="Lupset_Airport"Good luck both sides, to save the derby, but it's looking like we'll send Cas down a 3rd time.'"
Where are you getting this idea from? We got planning permission long before you guys did. Let's just wait and see, yeah? Otherwise you might be eating a large slice of humble pie. |
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| Quote ="JINJER"That'd be an interesting court case!!'"
No court case is possible. All clubs submitting a licence application agree to accept the final decision. If clubs do not like the rules they do not apply. |
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Oh … and, iirc, every club has also agreed that any club suing the RFL will be immediately suspended from all competitions run by the RFL (that's every rugby league competition in the country.
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