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| Quote ="Speedy"Try telling that to a ginger kid who gets bullied at school if he isnt offended or abused by it,
and if you still think that its ok, [url=http://www.insomniacmummy.com/2009/12/ginger-kid-common-acceptance-of.htmlthen look at what these mothers have to deal with every day[/url'"
Your right speedy, i work in a school.
There's a young lad in year 9 who as gone through school being a lovely red/ginger hair colour.
Last week i didn't recognise him, he'd dyed is hair black, now i wonder why he did that hey.
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| Quote ="Matt King's Barber"If James Graham came out and said "I find that offensive", then you might have a basis. However I am 99% sure he gets worse from his own team mates '"
Just a note. When it's your own mates doing it that is one thing. A bunch of halfwitted Leeds fans doing it is entirely different. They should all be carted off for lobotomies.
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| Quote ="Matt King's Barber"The point I am trying to make is, imagine the St Helens dressing room.
can you see jokes being made by one player about Graham being ginger? YES.
can you see jokes being made by one player about Eastmond being black? NO.
if a St Helens player announced he was gay, can you see jokes (of the same calibre that were chanted at Castleford) being made by one player towards the other player? NO.
On the basis of that you cannot equate illegal abuse with what is common at every sports venue across the country.'"
Oh, is it time to bring up the fact that Gareth Thomas seems to want his team mates to take the mick out of him for being gay?
How about this quote?
Quote ="Gareth Thomas""But I love them taking the . We've got another Australian on the wing, Nick Youngquest, and he's a gay icon. He's been on the cover of Attitude but he's comfortable in his [straight sexuality. It still gives the boys a laugh because they say to me: 'Oooo, he's not so happy now you're taking over.' Me and Nick are good mates and we'll walk in the room together and someone will shout: 'Here come the girls!'"
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[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/may/04/gareth-thomas-gay-interview-crusadersLink[/url
And that complements this:
Quote ="SaintsFan"Just a note. When it's your own mates doing it that is one thing. A bunch of halfwitted Leeds fans doing it is entirely different. They should all be carted off for lobotomies.'"
Which is the point, isn't it?
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| IIRC the idiots did not sing about the official masturbating. They said that he didn't know what he was doing.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan" They should all be carted off for lobotomies.'"
Would anyone be able to tell the differance?
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| Quote ="Matt King's Barber"Ask James Graham if he feels bullied after being called fat or ginger, I would bet my life savings that he gets worse from his own team mates.
The reason I can't wait to see the back of your club is;
the fact that there are references to the GMB Union everywhere (I <3 Thatcher),
the fact that I can't relax because I fear the stadium could at any time collapse,
the fact that it is a nightmare to get off your car park on the coach because they always get parked at the back,
the crazy kids that stand by the screen at your stadium (why do all the males have mullets?),
I like Widnes.'"
Fancy a bum?
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| Quote ="Gazemous"I was at the game, am fat and have a ginger beard. I thought the South Stand were chanting about me, and I'm very offended'"
I am neither fat or ginger, but I am a w***er. But I was very offended as I am a propper b@st@rd!
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| Quote ="Speedy"Why is it more dangerous ? The problem is victimisation no matter who it is, The point of this thread is that there will be nothing said to Leeds or a fine imposed to Leeds, you know that and i know that (and so they shouldnt), But once you set a precident than it must be done fairly and across the board, Cas fans aren't intent on Leeds getting fined or any other club for that matter, the point is Cas have been fined 40k which is ridiculous and if it was Leeds or any other club i would say the same.
Castleford cannot stop people chanting as much as Leeds or anyone else can, whether we like it or not [size=200(look at football when a certain spice girl was supposed to have taken something in a different orafice) what could be done about it[/size.. Nothing, What was done about it Nothing. The differance is that Football have millions upon millions to take the FA to court, Rugby teams dont and it can break them.
But the chanting that Leeds did was clearly audible and could / has upset some people with ginger hair or maybe someone who's father has done a runner. Do they get any come back, obviously not in your eyes, "its banter thats all",
Dont you think maybe it was banter at Cas, did anyone turn up with anti gay slogans at the match ? did anyone stand outside waiting for him to come out of the changing rooms to shout abuse at him ? No (maybe they were frightened to) but maybe just maybe it is the same banter, but some people today can't accept that and want blood, well fine, It must be across the board for everyone, but there is more consistancy in our lasses pudding mix than the RFL have in them,
The bandwagon is rolling and quite a few are jumping on board but the danger is not the homophobic chants, the danger is that the RFL are becoming a dictitoral body, who have the power to cost clubs dearly, how can they justify 40k, who dreamed this figure up, [url=http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12114.html/look at this[/url this was systematic abuse by his own mother, 250 quid not 40,000, there was proof who did it, There isnt a hope in hell of finding who chanted at Cas no more than people being identified at Leeds for chanting at Graham or the Ref.
I believe Cas have to go through the appeal process (which will fail, i know it, and so does every one else) but then must take it further to the courts'" Well, she could have said "Not tonight David, me ring is sore."
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| Would those defending these 'ginger' chants mind awfully if I called you all a bunch of f**king hypocrites?
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| Quote ="Riggins"So that's OK then to make fun of big ginger haired people is it?
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It's not as bad as gay-hating.
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"It's not as bad as gay-hating.'"
Why isn't it?
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| Quote ="Riggins"6 minutes 38 seconds into the game tonight, the south stand chanted clearly on Sky towards James Graham, 'you're just a fat ginger b*****d'. Then on 15 minutes and 55 seconds Phil Clarke admitted that the south stand gives him grief.
So that's OK then to make fun of big ginger haired people is it?
I'm be dropping the RFL an email Monday morning asking if Leeds will now be looked at and fined. They've raised the bar now.'"
Thats nothing on Radio Leeds after 38 minutes 20 seconds I heard a section of the Cas crowd chant "the referee's bent" .... better get the cheque book out
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| Quote ="Therailwayendisuponus."Why isn't it?'"
Why you think?
In simple terms - what's worse:
slapping someone in the face
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Why you think?
In simple terms - what's worse:
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(not a metaphor)'"
But thats not the same, you have quoted something completely different. Killing someone is obviously worse than slapping them. Verbally abusing someone and verbally abusing someone is exactly the same!
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| Quote ="Therailwayendisuponus."Verbally abusing someone and verbally abusing someone is exactly the same!'"
Let's overlook context then.
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| This is the most stupid and backwards thead I have ever seen. Surely this is some kind of joke?
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| Quote ="thebloodbath"Let's overlook context then.
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No, you invented the context in line with your perceived hirachy of dastardly deeds. I could say burning a house down and killing a whole family is worse than sh@ting in their pond. But it has no resemblance to this argument, you are merely quoting acts. One worse than the other. You still have not explained why chastising someone for being ginger and fat is not as bad as chastising some for being gay. Both comments are potentially hurtful, I bow to hypocracy without reason!
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| Quote ="headhunter"This is the most [size=150stupid and backwards [/sizethead I have ever seen. Surely this is some kind of joke?'"
Two perfectly apt adjectives, Sir!
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| Quote ="headhunter"This is the most stupid and backwards thead I have ever seen. Surely this is some kind of joke?'"
I find that offensive and claim my £40k
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| Quote ="Gazemous"I find that offensive and claim my £40k'"
I find it rather funny. I dont want 40k, just keep up the hilarious whinging
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| I'd prefer our fans to focus more on the team performances then whatever obsenities the loiners are chanting.
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| Quote ="Towns88"I'd prefer our fans to focus more on the team performances then whatever obsenities the loiners are chanting.'"
I would agree with that, we have won 4 on the bounce now,its time to get behind the players & forget what other clubs are doing.
After the Sherwin saga,the fine's,the Barrow cup disaster etc we have a real chance of finishing the season well(which i didn't see coming)so lets try and be positive!
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| Frankly anyone who [iseriously[/i believes that homophobic abuse is on a par with last night's chants at Headingley is living in fantasy land.
The club has an arguable defence: that Cas treat the issue seriously and took steps which the tribunal ignored or didn't give enough weight to.
We aren't appealing on the grounds that homophobic abuse isn't really all that.
And arguing that it's not really anything deserving action or punishment, or on a par with the newly discovered "hair colourism" - whatever tf that is - not only undermines and trivialises the club's real grounds for appeal but actually reinforces the prosecution case that we don't take homophobia seriously and stronger action by the RFL and clubs is needed to drive the message home.
TBH, we're beginning to sound like some of the Widnes fans in 2008, whinging about some unfair conspiracy against us and trying to blame anyone but the actual culprits: in their case the ex-chairman and board who screwed their club's finances, in our case the idiots who thought it would be fun to chant homophobic abuse at a gay player.
So as DS10 said: let's concentrate on backing the team on the field.
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| Quote ="Matt King's Barber"It isn't a defence I am just using anecdotal evidence of how a group of young lads who are all mates will probably make jokes about one of the mates being ginger.
In my close circle of friends I happen to have mates who are ginger and gay and black.
I don't know what it is inside me, but I would never make a racist/homophobic comment, yet the ginger jokes come thick and fast.'"
Then you are as bad and shame on you - calling anyone names be it about their sexuality, race or even the colour of the hair is a form of bullying. Put it this way if you had a child with ginger hair and all their classmates were calling them names and they were coming home crying then would you not be down at the school wanting something done about it - damn right you would!! Nobody knows how James Graham feels, he may have been picked on at school about his hair and reminders can be upsetting. What if Cas fans come to your place and starting changing "ginger bstd" to Riley then is that ok or will we get reported for that as well.
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| Quote ="tb"Frankly anyone who [iseriously[/i believes that homophobic abuse is on a par with last night's chants at Headingley is living in fantasy land.'"
Would you theirfor please have a word with gaslight as he seems to be taking all this out of proportion,and on numerous forums
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