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| Quote ="deeman forever Cas"It's plain to see Wakeys in the mire and i feel for the club and fans but a club is for the boot out of super duper league and i don't want it to be Cas. So if it keeps our top league status i can't be too bothered as would be the case if the boot was on the other foot.
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The one thing that is going to be a negative for Cas is that we'll lose one derby game next season, which will impact on our revenue streams.
7k v Widnes or potentially 10k v Wakefield?
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| Quote ="jourdmart"I've kept my powder dry regarding the plight of Wakefield, as it's difficult to pass comment on a club I don't support and I don't know the ins and outs as well as their fans. So, at the risk of inviting brickbats from Wakey fans, here goes (and this is not an attempted wind up, just my point of view):
In my opinion, it may be that the best course of action for Wakey is to take the club into administration, take the points deduction and forego any license application in this round of applications. I know this will mean them dropping down to the Championship, but it would give them a clean slate and allow them to rebuild. It will obviously mean a huge hit to their revenue streams and doesn't solve the ground issue, but I think if they are able to follow the example of Widnes, who have managed to build at a steady rate and are now, almost certainly, ready for SL, Wakey could return stronger than before.
In addition, and probably more importantly from a Wakey fans point of view, it would mean the club surviving, if at a lower level, rather than going to the wall and disappearing forever. Nobody, no matter who you support, wants that. Having seen Cas play at Championship level for a couple of seasons, the rugby is still of good quality, the crowds are decent and the banter the same wherever you go. It may take 6 years to get back, but the club will still be alive and have the target of gaining a license to work towards.
As I say, it's just an opinion and there to be picked apart. I've just looked at it pragmatically and wondered what I would feel if it was Cas in Wakeys position. Have a team I love playing at a lower level, or no club at all.
I hope Wakey get their problems sorted and continue as a club. Nobody wants to see a major element of their community disappear.'"
I would agree with you on this , but the difference is Cas could play themselves out of the championship into super league , the decision , thanks to super league clubs votin for a closed shop , is out of there hands and I honestly think they will strugle to meet the criteria set to go up , IE in the championship average 2500 average gate , have a stadium , not be within 10 miles of any existing super league team , have a business plan ,get to a grand final/win the rail cup , the only thing wrong with past prom/relegation was the championship grand final was well after super league season ended , giving the winners no chance of assembling any super league players as they were already signed up , so having to go up with there existin squad , which is were cas had the advantage , having kept there super league squad in championship
IF wakey do come down this time , in 3 years time , it will be between , south wales , Toulouse ,fev, leigh , wakey , fax and barrow , thats presumin widnes go in this time and the RL sayin a team is coming up in 2015 , and I wouldnt say wakey were favourites in that company
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| A closed shop? You mean Widnes, Fax and company won't be submitting licence bids this year?
Quote IF wakey do come down this time , in 3 years time , it will be between , south wales , Toulouse ,fev, leigh , wakey , fax and barrow , thats presumin widnes go in this time and the RL sayin a team is coming up in 2015 , and I wouldnt say wakey were favourites in that company'" I would*, Especially seeing as not all that company will in fact qualify to bid in 2015 ( and Scorpions definitely not)
* Assuming Wakefield, under new owners, manage to turn the club around.
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| toulouse and south wales dont have to meet the same criteria as heartland clubs do , because there expansion clubs
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| and its only 2012 where the rfl guaranteed 1 championship club would be given a licence
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| Quote ="bulldog bob"toulouse and south wales dont have to meet the same criteria as heartland clubs do , because there expansion clubs'"
Yes they do.
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| Thought there was a lesser set of criteria for Championship clubs to meet before they could submit an application...
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| When Wakey won promotion in 1998 the championship clubs voted to give them 140k as they wernt getting any sky money to enable them to compete, in return Wakey assured they would stand up for P+R. 12 months later they disgracefully went back on that then in 2000 voted against Dewsbury been promoted. Im sorry but what goes round comes round, they will find very little sympathy from championship club. Also they voted to accept the licensing system so they have got what they voted for.Love to see what there crowds will be like in the championship after all the remarks aimed at Rovers all these years, because i will bet any money in the world the city clubs crowds will be less than the village clubs
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| Quote ="bulldog bob"I would agree with you on this , but the difference is Cas could play themselves out of the championship into super league , the decision , thanks to super league clubs votin for a closed shop , is out of there hands and I honestly think they will strugle to meet the criteria set to go up , IE in the championship average 2500 average gate , have a stadium , not be within 10 miles of any existing super league team , have a business plan ,get to a grand final/win the rail cup , the only thing wrong with past prom/relegation was the championship grand final was well after super league season ended , giving the winners no chance of assembling any super league players as they were already signed up , so having to go up with there existin squad , which is were cas had the advantage , having kept there super league squad in championship
IF wakey do come down this time , in 3 years time , it will be between , south wales , Toulouse ,fev, leigh , wakey , fax and barrow , thats presumin widnes go in this time and the RL sayin a team is coming up in 2015 , and I wouldnt say wakey were favourites in that company'"
How do you come to the conclusion that Cas kept their Super League squad in the Championship. When we were relegated the first time we had to buy a full new squad from other Championship teams and we did extremely well to gain promotion considering that the players had never played together before and we had a new coach in Dave Woods who did a tremendous job in winning promotion. When we were relegated again we only kept part of our squad with players such as Manu, Hudson, Platt, Pryce, Thackray, Sculthorpe, Katic and others leaving for other clubs. Clubs previous to Cas being relegated were allowed to keep their squads with a parachute payment i.e Huddersfield, but we did it the hard way so please get your facts right before posting such tripe.
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There has been a lot of rumours flying about, some true facts would be very welcome.
I am sure one of the many accountants or solicitors or players agents or board members or share holders or club employee will come on rlfans and set the record straight. But i won't hold my breath for the truth
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There has been a lot of rumours flying about, some true facts would be very welcome.
I am sure one of the many accountants or solicitors or players agents or board members or share holders or club employee will come on rlfans and set the record straight. But i won't hold my breath for the truth
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I bet the papers are bricking it LOL.... HJow are they going to afford a legal battle, they cant afford anything as it is lol
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I bet the papers are bricking it LOL.... HJow are they going to afford a legal battle, they cant afford anything as it is lol
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| Quote ="Speedy"I bet the papers are bricking it LOL.... HJow are they going to afford a legal battle, they cant afford anything as it is lol'"
been finding it hard to bite my tongue but what the hell here goes,
Whats that old saying "he who laughs blah blah blah"
enjoy this season and hope you have a good one
i'll be back this time next year and i'll have my LOLs
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| Quote ="kentcat"been finding it hard to bite my tongue but what the hell here goes,
Whats that old saying "he who laughs blah blah blah"
enjoy this season and hope you have a good one
i'll be back this time next year and i'll have my LOLs
good luck
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| Quote ="Speedy"Yawn'"
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only got while midnight tonight to get them in,oops forgot....sorry
[url=http://listentotaxman.com/Listen to the taxman Ted[/url
Probably inputted on the lines of ...................
UK PAYE Income Tax Calculator 2010
Enter gross wages. click calculate
Tax Year 2010/11 2009/10 2008/09 2007/08 2006/07 2005/06 2004/05 2003/04 2002/03 2001/02 2000/01
Ted.. Married Blind I pay no NI
Age under 65
Other allowances / deductions
Tax code (this is optional)
Pension Contribution (0.00)
Email Address Ted@Idontpaytax.com
Gross income every Year (12 Months) Not enough
Wage Breakdown: All family members
Year Month 4 Week 2 Week 1 Week Day
Wage Summary As much as possible
Tax free Allowances £6,475.00 £539.58 £124.52
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Tax due £0.00
50% tax rate £0.00 £0.00 £0.00
40% tax rate £0.00 £0.00 £0.00
20% tax rate £0.00 £0.00 £0.00
National Insurance £0.00 We dont pay
Employers NI £0.00 We dont pay this either.
Net change from 2009 £0.00
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only got while midnight tonight to get them in,oops forgot....sorry
[url=http://listentotaxman.com/Listen to the taxman Ted[/url
Probably inputted on the lines of ...................
UK PAYE Income Tax Calculator 2010
Enter gross wages. click calculate
Tax Year 2010/11 2009/10 2008/09 2007/08 2006/07 2005/06 2004/05 2003/04 2002/03 2001/02 2000/01
Ted.. Married Blind I pay no NI
Age under 65
Other allowances / deductions
Tax code (this is optional)
Pension Contribution (0.00)
Email Address Ted@Idontpaytax.com
Gross income every Year (12 Months) Not enough
Wage Breakdown: All family members
Year Month 4 Week 2 Week 1 Week Day
Wage Summary As much as possible
Tax free Allowances £6,475.00 £539.58 £124.52
Total taxable
Tax due £0.00
50% tax rate £0.00 £0.00 £0.00
40% tax rate £0.00 £0.00 £0.00
20% tax rate £0.00 £0.00 £0.00
National Insurance £0.00 We dont pay
Employers NI £0.00 We dont pay this either.
Net change from 2009 £0.00
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| Some Wakey fans on their forum are getting a little excited that new owners are primed and ready to take over the club,with big ambitions and very deep pockets.
If true we might get a response from Dicky sharpish
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| well if they dont do it tomorrow, there in trouble
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| Widnes were not given a franchise due to going into administration, despite the fact they had picked up a millionaire backer since!
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| Quote ="Therailwayendisuponus."Widnes were not given a franchise due to going into administration, despite the fact they had picked up a millionaire backer since!'"
I'm sure that thinking would have applied to Wakey's bid had SL not decided to review their membership criteria in the light of Crusader's predicament. In that respect Wakey have dropped lucky but few would argue that they are less deserving of such good fortune than the Welsh club. I suspect any resentment Widnes way won't fester for long with their license already in the bag.
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| [url=http://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/2011/02/wildcats-administration-order/POLECATS IN ADMINISTRATION[/url
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| Quote ="smoking monkey"I'm sure that thinking would have applied to Wakey's bid had SL not decided to review their membership criteria in the light of Crusader's predicament. In that respect Wakey have dropped lucky but few would argue that they are less deserving of such good fortune than the Welsh club. I suspect any resentment Widnes way won't fester for long with their license already in the bag.'"
Although it's a bit of chicken and egg situation, because the HMRC wouldn't have pulled the plug on tax arrangements had the Crusaders not gone into admin, and so maybe we wouldn't have done. So maybe lucky in that a new investor will come in sooner rather than later, although admin doesn't look as good on your CV. Then again, neither does dwindling crowds and finishing bottom, which would have happened if there had been no change of regime.
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