A bleeding heart liberal who is pro-war. That's a new one.

The local Labour Party at the time, as was their right, elected a candidate to succeed Geoffery Lofthouse, who had decided to retire & accept a peerage to enter the house of Lords.

This candiate was a local long standing Labour councillor who had represented his ward for many years on WMDC & I'm led to believe had the backing of Lord Lofthouse.

Unfortunately the local party decision was overuled by the Labour Party head office & Yvette Cooper was imposed on us because they wanted to ensure she would be elected & we are are a VERY safe Labour seat.

I as an ex-unioin official & member of the Labour Party consequently left the party & have never voted Labour since. I may be wasting my vote in this constituency in not voting Labour but at least I can cast my vote with a clear concience

I've never actually voted Labour in this constituency in a general election because I lived in Selby at the last election in 2005. I've always been a red but I don't believe the current Labour government truly represent me and they've gone too far away from the policies which match their core voters. Whilst there are still a number of Labour MPs who uphold the old values, I don't believe ours does - she very rarely votes against the government which is often not in the interests of the people of this area.

The Iraq war's been mentioned too. Cooper supported it - one thing I do actually agree with her on. Why do I agree? Because I believe the government are elected to run the country and part of that involves protecting the country. It's inappropriate for the electorate to simply dismiss the war as being illegal when we're not privvy to all the facts and intelligence on which the government have acted. Granted, they could've handled it much better than they did at the time, but I still think they should be given the benefit of the doubt until a public enquiry suggests otherwise.

These people are elected to represent their constituancies ... to be beyond reproach and act as our voice.

Cooper and the rest of the trough eating cronies ... have no interest in the lives of the people they are supposed to represent and the truth of the matter is that she along with the majority of elected polititians has been shown to have commited fraud against the very people they are supposed to represent.

The worst thing is that she and the majority of the rest have got away with it by apologising!!!!!!!!!!!!

Christ I wish I could run my business by using the 'it was a simple accounting error' line ............. but I doubt the Tax office would believe me as easily as the people stealing the money I pay in taxes to line their own pockets... these people are the worst kind of scum, stealing from the poor , sick and disadvantaged to line their own pockets....then having the gaul to look you in the eye and say they are here for you....

You're the typical doom and gloomer, Mr Negative of the forum and i claim all sorts on my expenses.

Marshman did you type this ?????? are you not stating an opinion and if it isnt what exactly is it.

my reply
id rather be classed as a realist Marshy unlike yourself who is more a sheep, and to be fair with apathy like yours for mediocraty its no wonder we have so many theives as MPs, but hey its not like you cannot see the wood for the trees when it comes to CRLFC....

now in my reply i have my opinion of you and your post

no here is where it gets confusing from calling me a doom and gloomer Mr negative which you are ofcourse entitled to do, you reply again stating go back and read my opinion (if you can find one) I'll highlight what your opinion is below again to remind you....

You're far too repetitive mate, a parrot could come up with more lines. You never ever read a post correctly and just assume your opinions from nothing. Go back and read my opinion (if you can find one) and then rattle on about it, i might debate with you then. But since you always wish to make things up to make yourself feel better i'll just laugh you off mate.

You're the typical doom and gloomer, Mr Negative of the forum

Once again did you write this because if you did i cant see where your coming from is this not an opinion



and finally
There you go again, assuming (or should i say, simply making it up) i voted for her, believe in her and suggest because i did this (where did i say i had?) that i am a supporter of the war in Iraq. My god you're unbelievable. As i say, why not make a point of discussing things I (or anyone else) has said rather than what you want to blabber on about. You're a joke mate. You can't debate you just blabber on about things no one has said and call them names for doing so. Then you expect someone to come on and have a debate back. Why would anyone want to when it's clear you don't even read what people write?

please read my posts and highlight the section where i state you voted for her, i have and from your postings assumed that you support her yes! but not once have i mentioned you actually voted for her.... have i mentioned once that YOU supported the war in Iraq. this was in my reply....

was going to mention she was a big supporter of the illegal war in Iraq you know the one we was told to rid the country of WMD's of course non were found because it was sold on a lie. but id be accused of making that up too.

where have i said you supported it in there or any other post????

so id say mate its yourself that isnt quite reading the postings right. or once again am i making it up

Did you used to get picked on at school.



Just a thought.

No mate because unlike some i could stick up for myself.


and how do you come to conclusion like that were you a bully?????....very strange

LOL yes very funny but inacurate another who doesnt read the post correctly

I am intrigued as to your political leanings. You mention your opposition to the Iraq war, but the people who pushed that war through were the Conservative party.

Are you voting Lib Dem at the next election?

Good post bonzo, echoes alot of my feeling about new labour. I was brought up as a red and would never ever vote tory but new labour has brought in so many policies i fundamentley disagree with i can no longer bring myself to vote for them (not that it matters, labour will always gain this seat) so i end up voting for a fringe party to show my disatisfaction with labour who are becoming very much a party that doesnt respect democracy. I wish smith could have survived to see power as i believe he would have made a far better job of running this country and had a great deal more integrity.

I would like to be associated with the comments of the last speaker....

Certainly not. am I a Liberal, I was a Labour supporter and have been brought up with labour values, but old labour not the new labour we have now with our unelected leader

the Conservatives were very well I may add backed into a political corner by Bliar and his media spin. if they had been apposed to the war they would due to the way the media was controlled and spoon fed information been looked upon as unpatriotic, and that would not do for a party who want the votes just as much as labour. The whole war was built on a lie sold on one and continues on one, differing thoughts on why Afghanistan was invaded first a gas link running through Afghanistan to feed a power station in India is a thought, this gas line being built by American business to supply American built power stations in India was stalled by the Taliban, the same Taliban who were courted by American Presidents to start the project, this gas line is now either well on its way to being finalised or been completed. the political will, will eventually waver no matter what the posturing. and ideology will win in the end just like it did against the Russians in the 80's with help from America, and just like it did in the early 20th century against the British and Russian empire's who occupied land there....

Ahmen to that brother....

Wow did i even say that its you the politician, If they are our hope then no we wont but a little push from them will surely help .

Ps have you an agenda to upset everyone on here and do you have a timescale to do it in.

PPs will only get worse next week when you have more time online as the schools have broken up!!

Differant wars all together one was over a century ago and therefore largely an irrelevent comparison, and the other was fought with much inferior technology across the whole of afghanistan (as opposed to the current conflict which is by and large confined to the south and east of the country). To give a comparison, russian casualties (over a similar time period) were about ten times greater than allied casualties, while taliban casualty estimates are significantley greater, another major differance is the lack of support from the cia which the taliban needed to beat the russkis. The war in afghanistan will be won in the end, how long that takes and how many of our soldiers dont come home is another matter.

Wished i could share your optimism Pyeman i truely do. but we have to overturn centuries of lifestlye and also a religious will far more powerful than our political will.

I find that very hard to believe, if Blair and 'his media spin' could wield such power over the main opposition, how come he couldn't do that over people in his own party (including his own cabinet)?



I missed all the yells about this against Labour and the Lib Dems and all the others that voted against the war. In fact, I don't think that the main paper that would have such influence you suggest, The Sun, would fly in the face of [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2857637.stm63% of its readership[/url so much. In fact, the only front cover on the day of the invasion that showed a positive spin on the invasion was the conservative Daily Mail ([url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/869379/postslink[/url)



So what put off the other parties - the ones who did vote against the invasion?



Now there is one thing we can agree on

i am actually on leave in August but will be away on me hols, if i can get connected up on wifi i will try to keep intouch

I find that very hard to believe, if Blair and 'his media spin' could wield such power over the main opposition, how come he couldn't do that over people in his own party (including his own cabinet)?

because most Labour MP's id say are or were anti war even Mr Bliar was once when it suited,

i can understand how you look upon the Conservatives they are and still follow and jump on any ship for votes but as i saw it they were especially its leadership jostled into a no win situation by clever politics. and lets face it its not like they are strangers to sending the country to war, as for other parties id have thought they could like anyone with common sense see through the lies, as for the suns percentages i do find them very supprising for their readership

Do i know you ? Two things in common there mate

Yep.

Some of us still doing both, but must say am not a big fan of our MP! and also remember what the tory's did and want to do again

I myself don't mind Yvette Cooper, it's Wakefield Council leader Peter Box i'm not too keen on. I hope our Lee does well at Hull Uni and decides to try and take his job. I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley doesn't end up with Yvette's job in a few years time though.

Old Labour policies are fine, but unfortunately would not win an election and had it not been for Yvette and many of her contemporaries, then the Tories would be in power and we would have already seen the demise of the NHS and so much more than is already the case. The fact that has to be faced up to is that there are not enough traditional labour party voters in the country to vote Labour into power these days and the party has had to move a little to the right (OK some might say a lot), or otherwise be doomed to opposition for keeps.

Unfortunately, because the labour party has had to move with the times to capture the middle of the road voter, those on the left of the party have become more and more disillusioned and will vote for anyone but the official labour candidate, as we’ve seen recently with the people of Barnsley voting the BNP into power, they can’t see that voting against such as Yvette Cooper, is simply playing into the hands of the Tories and letting them in by the back door. OK Yvette is relatively safe in her seat, but others are not so fortunate and I have no doubt we'll see the poor get even poorer if (or when) David Cameron and his cronies are elected.

OK some of the things this labour government have done haven’t been very clever, and some of the stories coming out in the expenses claims scandal have tarnished the reputation of all MP’s. But where would the lower paid be if the tories were in power? well for a start there would be no minimum wage, that will no doubt go with pressure from the CBI, then watch for the NHS and more public services disappear by stealth. You may not agree with everything Yvette and the labour party are doing, but you can be sure that the alternative will be far less palatable.