In the relegation years its been losses to teams like trinity and Salford that hurt us and ultimately sent us down-sorry about the rant but we are a bigger, better club than these clubs-that isn't beong defensive.

I consider the Challenge cup to be an honour in the game, we need to look back to the Raper Years for when we were challenging for honours, the JJ team before it was dismantled under his feet and Van de Velde, then Reilly I guess. We were challenging no doubt about it

How are we bigger and better?

As much as you'd hate to admit it, Wakefield haven't been relegated twice and are currently above us in the league. We're probably just about on par with them at this moment, but I don't see how we're bigger.. ?

Trinity scraped into SL with a pack of lies, they built a squad, failed to pay the players, built a stand, failed to pay, have a poor fan base, so i'd like to suggest Cas are a bigger and better club-and have a damn site more integrity

If the Goons, Bulls and Wire and Catalan, who have all been below us for most of the season, perform as poorly next year i'll be extremely surprised. We could find ourselves having improved next year but finishing lower in the league

Many people said catalans over performed last season so who know where they will be next season, think with walters in charge there not going to achieve as much as when potter was there. By the same token wigan and bradford underperformed last season according to many, just as much chance they will get worse as better. And who knows which other teams might underperform next year, kr, quins, hudds? So we could play worse next year and find ourselves better off.

Can't see any of those teams going backwards tbh, as for Walters, next season will be a big one, given the success off the field,I'd imagine the Catalans wanting to match the off field successes. As for the Goons and Bradford, they have had a dire season-lets hope it continues

Wire, well they are coming good, but next season under a good coach, I expect them to do great things.

So I forsee us having to improve out of sight next year, and beyond, to even maintain our current position

Did your forsee wire, wigan, bradford and cats form before this year?

Goons and the Bulls yes, over achieved last year IMO. Didn't see the Wire and Cats though.

Any more questions

Turn the spot light off and leave me some fingernails for feks sake

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what lies?

what stand?

SGB hospitality suite

hardly a stand now is it , anyway did the crime done the time .

still would like to know about the lies

"Yes Mr RFL, of course we'll upgrade our 'stadium'".

"Mr Maloney, Mr Prescott, of course we will pay your wages"

"Of course we'll pay for the cake stand"

Nice of you to admit the Crime

and your stadium was upgraded when ? must of missed it

did we sell ourselves as having to or needing to, dont think so.... You Whinger

Like Brian McDermott you mean?

Is he from wakey? well i never........ if only hudds could produce such qaulity coaches

Sure is!

yes when you won your franchise .

yeah right our bid was done in conjunction with the ground we already have with plans inplace for a new one which will be completed before wakfelds and thats if it takes twenty years to build because you and your club have no chance of building one, especially with the alledged debts you have already............. YOU Whinger

oh dear

waystones can not wait to get started

FFS It's becoming boring now, every thread turning into a pi$$ing contest about stadiums and finance. I assume that most of you involved are old enough to know better but then again.........