Why does everyone think we'll lose because Chase is missing? Last time we played Widnes on 7th May we had no Chase and won comfortably.

Last time we played Ganson was ref too. He's ref this time.

I believe that we will win. We have the forwards to dominate the game and you are guaranteed at least 4 pens off Pickersgill and Cross alone.

We also had Daz Clark and Owen available, monday we wont.

Given Owen's propensity of making errors I think Youngquest can do just an adequate job at FB.

As for Clark, maybe so but I have the confidence that Milner can step up just as well.

Looking at the team - we also didn't have Holmes or Jackson back in the squad then. Our pack is very strong and if they dominate, they can set the platform for Goldy and Orr to work magic.

deluded. At best we'll scrape a 4 point win against the worst side in the league, a team who wouldn't be top 3 in the championship. < That is at best. Still think we'll lose. Milner doesn't offer the same as clark at hooker, in fact, he's completely different, less effective in attack, good in defence.

Clarke and Milner are completely different - Milner will play a pattern and a plan and put on the plays the halves tell him to the majority of the time and allow there to be one chef in the kitchen.
Clarke is completely different, on the one hand you have the variety and unpredictability, but on the other hand, your halves will not get the plays they want when they want them, only when he wants - this is more of an issue with younger players that are trying to mke their own names in the game.

Different players for different scenarios and I actually happen to think as a pair, they are brilliant in the 17. For Monday it is actually a day for concentration, game management, set management and completion, not fancy gubbins. First team in front by two scores I fancy to win, that should be enough to dent the armour of the others belief. If Widnes get 12-0 inside 20 minutes, it could stink like my gym bag by half time.

Not been keeping an eye on the situation, but is Chase available to play tomorrow night following his (cough) indesgretion or is he "banned for a longer period"?

Mdean - They are different , yep, that is exactly what I put



Kinley - still on paid suspension.

still absent due to disciplinary investigation

Ok cheers, not sure wether or not to have a bet, what's the spread?

Cas -2 @ evens

You're so bad even Widnes can stuff you.

It wouldn't really be a suprise if a quality coach like Ian Millward wanted out of your club to go somewhere that can match his ambitions.

If we're a mid table Championship side, what does that make you on tonights showing ?




Seriously, we were bad but Cas were terrible. How many Players do you have left from 2007 ?

You looked like you wern't interested tonight, especially in the second half................

We were extremely poor, this is probably the worst season we have had in super league, not to take anything away from widnes you wanted it more and deserved the win, good luck for the rest of the season.

From 2007, we had huby and mcgoldrick playing tonight with owen and dixon on the sidelines.

What do you think of that then Fully? (i told you so)

Millward is one of the worst coaches in the game.

Matterson is God in comparison.

I hate St Helens.

But look what Millward won at Saints.

2 Grand Finals. 2 Challenge Cups. 1 World club title.

I'd hardly call him 'one of the worst coaches in the game' with such a CV.

Inherit a good squad at Saints?

Did shockingly at Wigan. Took Cas from a side seconds from Wembley, 9th in the league last 2 seasons, to the worst Cas side i've consistently ever seen...

so, would your lot finish in the top 3 of the championship then?

Would they bugger

Oh look, Cas get hammered and the Fev trolls come back!

It's a weekly event these days

It's great isn't it....he can't be held accountable for results behind a crap squad at Cas....but when he is gift wrapped a squad full of internationals he's a great coach. C'mon mate a coach proves them self when the chips are down...not when everything is so much in their favor they couldn't possible fail.

No, not with Basil as coach. Any other time we would and have done when it's been required won the NL Grand final.

Exactly, most coaches would have won trophies with what he had at saints. You dont have to be a good poker player to win when your dealt a full house, to win with a poor hand shows that your good.

Spot on, unfortunately.

At last a flatcapper that understands the league structure .................maybe you should tell your ceo this , as he seems to be setting you up for one almighty fall in 2014.