It is good for the game but still doesn't answer my question.

For goodness sake! Check your PM. I'm not arguing this on here.

So have Wakefield, so what is the problem for you both? You fancy making way for Halifax (assuming Wakefield 'have made way' for Widnes) then to make things fairer in three years, new grounds, best side on and off-field between you wins Bradford's franchise?



Well of course, you are half right, you both have a stronger application than Salford but you don't have one thing they have... £20m worth of new stadium and Peels lawyers standing between you and a trip to the high court! You don't owe the RFL £700k either, which is another story!

Still, paper thin between you and Wakey possibly... what happens if the RFL disagree with you... what then?



However, you seem to be stating everywhere that SL should be expanded to accommodate Castleford on the basis of their stadium plans. Why, if they can deliver them in the Championship?

You are making this really easy Fully, I hope that the club didn't get you to write any of their SL application!!!

Are you struggling to get off this mobius strip of argument you have inadvertently created?

On the final point, because I care about this game and these two clubs... I keep telling you this but quite frankly it is like

It is good for the game but still doesn't answer my questions?

I don't have a PM if you have sent one Georgie?

Because we offer much more than Wakefield in the other areas and have demonstrated that in the three years over the last licensing period. Simple really. Oh, and I'm not saying SL should be expanded to accommodate Cas, simply because I believe we are one of the best 13 sides in Super League. On the basis that Super League, IMO, isn't going to expand to 15 for pure reason of fixture list congestion, logistics and money, that means one in, one out. The weakest sides, IMO are Salford and Wakefield.

Oh, and stadiums are really the be all and end all of licensing aren't they? What's the point in submitting applications on the other areas if that's all it's about? Come on I_A, apply some common sense into this. Salford aren't out the running as much as the media make them out to be just because they have a new stadium on the way.

These two clubs being Leeds and Wakefield?

Plus, you're acting like a child repeating what I'm putting - stuff I expect of a 6-year-old to be honest.

In your eyes, and while you might be right, is that what the RFL think and what if they don't! You still haven't answered this one?



That is why your alter ego on Cas Forum is (very commendably I might add, this is not a criticism, in fact it is the opposite) is instrumental in working on the petition and you carry the new car sticker as your sig? So then we have this sussed me and you then, we should stop arguing because Salford and Crusaders and possibly Quins will have weaker applications so why are you spending your time on this and many other threads trying to justify Castleford's application being stronger than Wakefield's. Surely you should have been talking about how much stronger Cas's application is against Salford and Crusaders... so why aren't you?



It is not childish (well, just a little) but you have failed to answer any of the questions posed by YOU about Wakefield when turned around and made about Castleford... why do you think it is acceptable for me (of all people, as a Rhino) to answer these questions about another club when you are unwilling to answer them about your own club when turned around?

Sent

But I did answer it here:

"Cas have said it will be delivered no matter what division we're in" and I answered your other points when I explained why I don't think Cas will be demoted.

Or did you forget to read during your petulant comments? I'll have you know that I have nothing to do with the petition. I carry the sticker because I think it's vitally important to show my support for Cas. I spend my time justifying Cas against Wakefield because people, whether it be from Wakey, Cas or other clubs, spend time trying to make out that it's between Cas and Wakefield.

Oh and I'm asking YOU them questions because YOU were the one helping SWAG with the petitions on Newmarket etc etc and YOU made the comments that SL should keep Wakefield in on the basis of their stadium plans. That is why I asked YOU to justify your comments if the plans were deliverable regardless of division.

Didn't notice this in between I_A's childishness.

Yes, we can.

As for paying for it, yes we are. We've paid for the planning applications ourselves. Opus are paying for Wheldon Road, which in turn will fund Glasshoughton, so again, yes we are paying for it ourselves, not Opus.

Opus are BUYING the ground at Wheldon Road. Yes, that's right, Castleford Tigers RLFC OWN the land and will be SELLING it.... they'll be using money they EARNED from THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

Cas WILL BE PAYING for the stadium.

Clear? Good!

True, but they are only buying it if certain conditions are met, namely planning for a supermarket. The increased (and necessary we are told) value of the land is totally dependent on this planning. Opus are funding this application and all the work required, although they are not planning on doing the majority of the work required until after July, to submit an application in October... the 25th October to be precise!

So yes, unlike Newmarket where the developer of that site is paying for the new stadium is he only willing to do so if he can develop land HE owns around the stadium. Opus are only willing to pay the increased value (possibly over-inflated?) to Castleford for land THEY own if he gets to develop this land into a Supermarket. Different yes, because Cas will always own that ground until sold, meaning that they have other options if this doesn't work out in future. Wakefield don't currently have the same asset or therefore safety net, but the current positions of the two only differ in this regard... everything else is very similar! To deny so, is missing the point I think G.Price FC was actually trying to make.

You forgot to add that wakefield will only be tenants at nm whereas cas will have ownership of gh.

There is one huge difference.

Wakefield's fairy godmother will simply rent them their coach and horses.
Cas's fairy godmother will take the pumpkin and the mice that they own and turn them into a coach and horses that Cas can keep.

There's no midnight hour when the stuff turns back again

Oh dear, I hope your not going to throw a strop

Van broken down today,Squire?

As are Wigin,HullFC,Catalans,Crusaders,Quins,Hudds,Leeds,Bradford,Salford, and Widnes when they come up, so Wakey will be in good company then, assuming of course they are still in SL, conversely you could have the best ground in the championship playing at GH

Nah mate, special delivery down at Poundland head office later in the day, having a de grease atm, I really want to make an impression

One thing for sure george old boy, you will be able to graze the horses by the side of the road at the GH site safe in the knowledge that no traffic will be running up and down the road for quite a while

Valid point pyeman and I did correct this in a post on the VT.

Loving the analogy!

Yes, also a very good and valid point and can't argue with any of that, and I think if any club could do what Cas are hoping to do, then they should! It doesn't move anything on though, it's just puts Cas in more control of their future stadium destiny than, to be fair, the majority of the rest of SL!

No, I was just explaining it in simple terms and trying to emphasise the bits that were.. um.. a teensy bit on the side of inaccurate in the original post. Although looking at some of your laughable attempts at trolling on here, I'm more likely to throw up!

typos corrected

All I can say george is that you are easily pleased

Better than being easily angered...