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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"No, but he's applying the same principles of unfairly punishing the minority for no reason.
Perhaps, with Wakefield being a minority in SL, we should charge them more than other away fans for getting into Wheldon Road?'"
You've lost the plot, go and have a cup of tea, regathering yourself, get a sense of perspective and come back talking sense.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Is that really how you see it?!'"
Fa'asavalu played for GB, i believe he scored a try in the red/white and blue....i believe i cheered.
Yep thats how i see it.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"No, but he's applying the same principles of unfairly punishing the minority for no reason.
Perhaps, with Wakefield being a minority in SL, we should charge them more than other away fans for getting into Wheldon Road?'"
Oh dear - I feel a bit worried for you now. Is there someone there you can talk to?
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| Quote ="Sesquipedalian"You've lost the plot, go and have a cup of tea, regathering yourself, get a sense of perspective and come back talking sense.'"
I'm still waiting for you to explain why my comments were so silly...
Agin, the poster said it was acceptable to penalise a minority. I pointed out instances of when this had happened. What's the problem?
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"No, but he's applying the same principles of unfairly punishing the minority for no reason.
Perhaps, with Wakefield being a minority in SL, we should charge them more than other away fans for getting into Wheldon Road?'"
Where as the current rules are punishing the English players who could be playing in his place. You can twist this as much as you want, but the only reason you're supporting Chase playing for England is because he's a Castleford player. Let's say Vince Mellars decides to make himself available for England and as a result keeps out Joe Arundel for arguements sake, I don't believe for a minute that any of you will be coming on here saying "Well done Vince". Rangi Chase is a mercenary. If he has to no loyalty to his country, I can't see him having much for Castleford.
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| Quote ="poppys mum"Fa'asavalu played for GB, i believe he scored a try in the red/white and blue....i believe i cheered.
Yep thats how i see it.'"
And just a few short years later he was back in Samoan colours making fools of Tony Smith, you and everyone else who fell for it.
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| Quote ="Sesquipedalian"And just a few short years later he was back in Samoan colours making fools of Tony Smith, you and everyone else who fell for it.'"
Yep, thats life.
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| Quote ="Sesquipedalian"And just a few short years later he was back in Samoan colours making fools of Tony Smith, you and everyone else who fell for it.'"
At the time I felt that no English coach would pick a foreigner for national side, and put it down to Smith being an Aussie who was driven by money and not by patriotism. McNamara has no excuse.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Where as the current rules are punishing the English players who could be playing in his place. You can twist this as much as you want, but the only reason you're supporting Chase playing for England is because he's a Castleford player. Let's say Vince Mellars decides to make himself available for England and as a result keeps out Joe Arundel for arguements sake, I don't believe for a minute that any of you will be coming on here saying "Well done Vince". Rangi Chase is a mercenary. If he has to no loyalty to his country, I can't see him having much for Castleford.'"
1. Read the thread. I don't support Chase playing for England. I accept it because the rules say he can.
2. I don't think Chase's loyalty is in doubt, signing a 4-year deal when he could have gone to practically any other team in a year's time.
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| Quote ="poppys mum"Yep, thats life.'"
Only if you accept the tissue thin depth of sincerity that accompanies the statements he (& Rangi Chase) made when pledging their undying love for England and the Queen!
More fool you if you did but while people like you accept it there are others that walk away from the international game in despair.
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| Quote ="Sesquipedalian"Only if you accept the tissue thin depth of sincerity that accompanies the statements he (& Rangi Chase) made when pledging their undying love for England and the Queen!
More fool you if you did but while people like you accept it there are others that walk away from the international game in despair.'"
Aye, shocking isn't it.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"1. Read the thread. I don't support Chase playing for England. I accept it because the rules say he can.
2. I don't think Chase's loyalty is in doubt, signing a 4-year deal when he could have gone to practically any other team in a year's time.'"
No, Chase knows that when he has to re-apply for a visa he has no chance due to his off field behaviour. So he knows his best option is not rock the boat, show stability by staying at Castleford (on a better contract) and apply for citizenship so that when a big club comes calling he won't have to re-apply for the visa. What better way to support this than by representing England? He knows he won't command the same money in the NRL. Even the most biased Castleford fans know this (even if they won't admit it publicly) and are going to make the most of having such a good player at the club for the next few seasons.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"No, Chase knows that when he has to re-apply for a visa he has no chance due to his off field behaviour. So he knows his best option is not rock the boat, show stability by staying at Castleford (on a better contract) and apply for citizenship so that when a big club comes calling he won't have to re-apply for the visa. What better way to support this than by representing England? He knows he won't command the same money in the NRL. Even the most biased Castleford fans know this (even if they won't admit it publicly) and are going to make the most of having such a good player at the club for the next few seasons.'"
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| Quote ="Sesquipedalian"Only if you accept the tissue thin depth of sincerity that accompanies the statements he (& Rangi Chase) made when pledging their undying love for England and the Queen!
More fool you if you did but while people like you accept it there are [size=150=#000000others that walk away from the international game in despair.[/size'"
It's sad to say, but unfortunately I'm one of them.
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| Quote ="Cecil B"Listening to a number of fans sat around me at the game last night, the majority of the England team aren't international class.
Funnily enough the Loiner fans seemed to think the team should have more Leeds players in and I bet you could say the same for Saints, Wigan and Warrington fans...'"
Personally i think Morley shouldn't have been picked from the off, and i think Atkins should have played instead of Yeaman BUT i'm not sure if Atkins wasn't picked or chose not to.
Myler i would have liked to have seen have a chance, he played brilliantly for the Knights
Bridge no, Harrison no, just forgetting for a moment they played for Ireland so shouldn't be picked anyway they haven't played well enough for selection
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie":1f9yl1bfNo, Chase knows that when he has to re-apply for a visa he has no chance due to his off field behaviour. So he knows his best option is not rock the boat, show stability by staying at Castleford (on a better contract) and apply for citizenship so that when a big club comes calling he won't have to re-apply for the visa. What better way to support this than by representing England? He knows he won't command the same money in the NRL. Even the most biased Castleford fans know this (even if they won't admit it publicly) and are going to make the most of having such a good player at the club for the next few seasons.'" people think..." I know that the speaker is clearly trying to back up a load of empty-headed froth.
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| Quote ="Georgie Best on a Bloomer"You love speaking for people you don't know, don't you. When people tell me "most [description people think..." I know that the speaker is clearly trying to back up a load of empty-headed froth.'"
I stopped taking you serious when you said Dean Sampson was international class
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"No, Chase knows that when he has to re-apply for a visa he has no chance due to his off field behaviour. So he knows his best option is not rock the boat, show stability by staying at Castleford (on a better contract) and apply for citizenship so that when a big club comes calling he won't have to re-apply for the visa. What better way to support this than by representing England? He knows he won't command the same money in the NRL. Even the most biased Castleford fans know this (even if they won't admit it publicly) and are going to make the most of having such a good player at the club for the next few seasons.'"
I suppose that's why he got his missus knocked up too, it's all a ruse to get him a visa right?
And as for the NRL comment, I'm pretty sure Brisbane tried to take him for when his contract ran out before he signed this new one.
Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I stopped taking you serious when you said Dean Sampson was international class
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On the basis he has international caps, he was international class HTH.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"And as for the NRL comment, I'm pretty sure Brisbane tried to take him for when his contract ran out before he signed this new one.'"
You were also pretty sure Peter Gentle was going to be your new coach
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I stopped taking you serious when you said Dean Sampson was international class
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Really? That's nice.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Where as the current rules are punishing the English players who could be playing in his place. You can twist this as much as you want, but the only reason you're supporting Chase playing for England is because he's a Castleford player. Let's say Vince Mellars decides to make himself available for England and as a result keeps out Joe Arundel for arguements sake, I don't believe for a minute that any of you will be coming on here saying "Well done Vince". Rangi Chase is a mercenary. If he has to no loyalty to his country, I can't see him having much for Castleford.'"
Funnily enough, I don't see any young/current English players kicking up a fuss about his selection?
If Vince Mellars was eligible, was good enough for selection (i.e. winning Man of Steel) and subsequently did well in a game in England colours I'd be the same as for Rangi.
I also didn't care when Fa'asavalu played for England. TBH, I'd love to have a few Islanders (or similar build) playing for England in the forwards. We might actually win something then.
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| Quote ="Sesquipedalian"Only if you accept the tissue thin depth of sincerity that accompanies the statements he (& Rangi Chase) made when pledging their undying love for England and the Queen!
More fool you if you did but while people like you accept it there are others that walk away from the international game in despair.'"
And we still managed to sell-out Elland Rd didn't we? Obviously, Chase's unjustified selection had fans leaving the game in droves......
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"No, Chase knows that when he has to re-apply for a visa he has no chance due to his off field behaviour. So he knows his best option is not rock the boat, show stability by staying at Castleford (on a better contract) and apply for citizenship so that when a big club comes calling he won't have to re-apply for the visa. What better way to support this than by representing England? He knows he won't command the same money in the NRL. Even the most biased Castleford fans know this (even if they won't admit it publicly) and are going to make the most of having such a good player at the club for the next few seasons.'"
Or the most obsessed Wakefield fans who have nothing better to do than speculate, rumour-monger and make up rubbish about anything Castleford?
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| Chase was rubbish, they were all rubbish.
There is a reason Chase is in SL. SL is a second rate comp and he is a second rate player like almost all the overseas player in SL. That's not a dig at him he may well return to the NRL one day and stake his claim. He also took the field with a team full of second raters and the were all 100% British.
Only Morley who was once world class and Ellis who has managed to attain a decent standard as an NRL player can be considered exempt and in Morleys case that is in the past tense. How sad is that.
To blame Chase would be churlish in the extreme. He is not to blame for the state we find ourselves in. That lays at the feet of a weak RFL and greedy short termist clubs of which Cas and Wakey and the rest are guilty of being.
Until the Chases of this world are a rarity and not the rule we will continue as a nation to fail - and I say again that is not the fault of Chase who like the rest of his new team mates simply wasn't good enough.
Shame we had to go through the last few month to work that out when it was obvious from the start.
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