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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"The RFU are essentially claiming there is no need for RU clubs to pay transfer fees to clubs from other sports, regardless of the country they are moving from/to.
Burgess was only given permission to try his hand at RU because Bath paid Souths £270k. He wasn't allowed just to walk off into the sunset.
Likewise, Toulon paid a significant sum for Williams (eventually).
Therefore, the precedent of RU clubs paying transfer fees to RL clubs for players under contract is set.'"
Where do they claim that? We know players have moved from RL to RU before and got fees.
Anyway I was just pointing out, none of the others went about it the same way as Solomona has. By announcing a silly retirement from RL just to push his move to RU. His case is slightly different, hence why it's going to Court.
Like I said the SBW case is very close to the Solomona one and hopefully it end's in a similar outcome. I'd have to look into it more but I don't remember the French RU getting involved in that case , I thought it was between SBW, Bulldogs and Toulon.
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| Trying to get my head around all this !
Question
If anyone can answer this
If I am contracted to a club for 2 or 3 years and I fall out of love with the game (eg Rangi Chase) will I be allowed to just walk away?
Yes or No
(I am aware of the registration to play RL) and the club can keep hold of it for the period of the original contract.
Does that then stop me from playing any other sport (for a wage)?
Yes or No
This is a minefield and god help the people who have to sort it all out
I was listening to Rugby Union Extra on G.M. Radio for an hour and they were struggling with an answer.
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| Starting to think Rugby League in the UK will only exist as an amateur sport in 10 years time, we are being dwarfed in resources by Union and the NRL (which only cares about itself) we're tied to the same relatively low TV deal for years, with little other funding streams and a governing body that can't even promote our few big events properly.
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| Quote ="UllFC"Starting to think Rugby League in the UK will only exist as an amateur sport in 10 years time, we are being dwarfed in resources by Union and the NRL (which only cares about itself) we're tied to the same relatively low TV deal for years, with little other funding streams and a governing body that can't even promote our few big events properly.'"
Super League is dying, long live Canadia!
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"Both Kolpak and Bosman are eponymous for the rulings that significantly changed how sport players were "administered", after going through significant legal process.
Do you think that a "Solomona" will become another ground-breaking term in sporting history, or will be become known simply as "doing a Denny"?'"
I like the term "doing a Denny" but how about this one:-
"so-long-am-a-gona".
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| Quote ="Zulu01"Trying to get my head around all this !
Question
If anyone can answer this
If I am contracted to a club for 2 or 3 years and I fall out of love with the game (eg Rangi Chase) will I be allowed to just walk away?
Yes or No
(I am aware of the registration to play RL) and the club can keep hold of it for the period of the original contract.
Does that then stop me from playing any other sport (for a wage)?
Yes or No
This is a minefield and god help the people who have to sort it all out
I was listening to Rugby Union Extra on G.M. Radio for an hour and they were struggling with an answer.'"
You can walk away at any point.
If the club keeps hold of your registration that would prevent you from playing for any other RL team.
You could play for any other team in any other sport. The RL registrations are only binding to RL clubs.
However if you walked away without the permission of your club you would then be in breach of your contract with them. They could not pay you and you could be liable for any costs associated with that breach e.g. A transfer fee, loss of profile/marketing etc at that club.
In addition to that if another club or organisation actively encouraged/helped you to breach your contract, they could also be held liable for those costs. E.g. Sale
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| RL needs to start putting in their contracts that if a league player signs for a union team a fee will be applicable.
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| Quote ="Him"You can walk away at any point.
If the club keeps hold of your registration that would prevent you from playing for any other RL team.
You could play for any other team in any other sport. The RL registrations are only binding to RL clubs.
However if you walked away without the permission of your club you would then be in breach of your contract with them. They could not pay you and you could be liable for any costs associated with that breach e.g. A transfer fee, loss of profile/marketing etc at that club.
In addition to that if another club or organisation actively encouraged/helped you to breach your contract, they could also be held liable for those costs. E.g. Sale'"
Thanx very much for taking the time to reply, it has shed more light on this for me.
As previously stated, this is a massive minefield, if the ruling goes the wrong way for RL it could be devastating.
Intresting times ahead
Thanx again
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| I'd be massively surprised if the ruling didn't go for Cas and RL, although you never know. With what happened with SBW and just from a common sense and the protection of a sport in GB point of view. You just can't retire from one form of Rugby to play another , just to get around your contract.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"I'd be massively surprised if the ruling didn't go for Cas and RL, although you never know. With what happened with SBW and just from a common sense and the protection of a sport in GB point of view. You just can't retire from one form of Rugby to play another , just to get around your contract.'"
The Establishment v Rugby League, it already sounds iffy.
Those nice Union boys with their old school ties, we haven't got a prayer.
Some may say that we have a chip on our shoulders but, it didn't get there by itself !
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| If Sale were one of the clubs that made an offer for Solomona (whilst he was still at Cas) then surely they established a precedent by putting forward a compensation offer (transfer fee) to be followed by a player contract. Can't see how this won't be a consideration as it was surely a motivational driver in the players decision to later walk out on his RL contract.
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| Quote ="Psychedelic Casual"Super League is dying, long live Canadia!'"
Canada/Toronto ?
Who's training base is Brighouse.
It will be great to see this Toronto/Leigh 2015 squad take Championship 1 by storm.
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"If Sale were one of the clubs that made an offer for Solomona (whilst he was still at Cas) then surely they established a precedent by putting forward a compensation offer (transfer fee) to be followed by a player contract. Can't see how this won't be a consideration as it was surely a motivational driver in the players decision to later walk out on his RL contract.'"
By all accounts we (Tigers) had 3 offers for DS - all turned down. Sale, Gloucester and Warrington although none have been made official by the club.
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| I think Sale are expecting and willing to pay compensation.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"The Establishment v Rugby League, it already sounds iffy.
Those nice Union boys with their old school ties, we haven't got a prayer.
Some may say that we have a chip on our shoulders but, it didn't get there by itself !'"
Well they have the same Establishment in France and the SBW case went the way of the Bulldogs. Also though Solomona's tried it on with the retirement bull, we've got previous Precedents set of fees between the Codes. Like I said you never know though.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Well they have the same Establishment in France and the SBW case went the way of the Bulldogs. Also though Solomona's tried it on with the retirement bull, we've got previous Precedents set of fees between the Codes. Like I said you never know though.'"
Did it? I maybe misremembering things but I thought SBW paid Canterbury his transfer/release fee from his own pocket, well he borrowed the 750,000 from mundine.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Did it? I maybe misremembering things but I thought SBW paid Canterbury his transfer/release fee from his own pocket, well he borrowed the 750,000 from mundine.'"
I couldn't remember how it all went down and didn't pay much attention after he left tbh. I got that info from Wiki. Where it says-
Quote Williams was eighteen months into a five-year contract with the Bulldogs, and the dispute was only resolved when Toulon paid a transfer fee of around £300,000 (A$750,000)'"
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| My understanding is that Castleford will claim a financial loss of £400k.
This is made up of the potential loss of transfer fee (based on the offers received), the additional wage paid to Solomona during 2015 on the basis of the 'extended' contract which he did not fulfil and the loss of direct player sponsorship.
I think Cas are pushing the limit, but that's what happens in cases such as this.
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| Quote ="Fantastic Mr Cat"yup, the gale dorn combo was damn effective, and my worry for cas this year replacing that wth hardaker or eden wont be anywhere near the same.
But as you say excellent work by them put him in positions where he still needed to finish and finish he did,however pardn the expression yawnion is a different ball game, i can see charnley's 'game' adapting better than denny's.'"
To score a try you have to be given the ball. That doesn't happen for a RU winger very often in a game as Charnley is finding out. How many has he got so far? I reckon they will both be back in RL within a couple of seasons.
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| Quote ="Singing Warrior"To score a try you have to be given the ball. That doesn't happen for a RU winger very often in a game as Charnley is finding out. How many has he got so far? I reckon they will both be back in RL within a couple of seasons.'"
But Denny has "retired"
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| Given CAS reduced Maria Sharpova's suspension from tennis despite the overwhelming evidence given by WADA she was even more complicit/responsible for taking a banned substance it's impossible to say how any ruling might turn out. They are known for some bonkers decisions.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Given CAS reduced Maria Sharpova's suspension from tennis despite the overwhelming evidence given by WADA she was even more complicit/responsible for taking a banned substance it's impossible to say how any ruling might turn out. They are known for some bonkers decisions.'"
But Castleford are taking this through an Employment Tribunal, not the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
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| Announced on 5live. No mention of any legal action.
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The Aviva Premiership website had this telling quote...
Quote Sale Sharks are aware that Castleford Tigers and the RFL may be looking into legal process and until this is finalised Denny will not be available for media interviews.
Read more at www.premiershiprugby.com/news/sa ... P4fompY.99'"
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The Aviva Premiership website had this telling quote...
Quote Sale Sharks are aware that Castleford Tigers and the RFL may be looking into legal process and until this is finalised Denny will not be available for media interviews.
Read more at www.premiershiprugby.com/news/sa ... P4fompY.99'"
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