No just the facts. I didn't even mention the team we have dominated the most is saints.

What do you define as dominating?

You've beat them in 4 grand finals, I wouldn't really call it dominating. I'd guess throughout super league, they've beaten you more.

Selective arguing? Leeds have won 5 Grand Finals but Saints have won 4 Grand Finals and won the League in SL1, which would effective count as the equivalent of the GF victory at that time. Therefore, that's all square.

Besides: you said the most "successful" side. Success is usually defined by trophies. Saints have won more trophies. Doesn't matter whether they're back to back or every other year. You're not the most successful, fact, as shown above.

why do leeds celebrate the fact that ryan bailey is a cowardly thug? whilst the rest of the rugby league family condenm him the rhino's defend his behaviour and even seem proud of it.

PS. If you want to bring in a load of things such as "records", which don't define success in the grand scheme of things but more consistency and benchmark at this moment in time, then by my guest.

Personally, success over a sustained period of time is all about the numbers. Is a team that wins 4 back to back titles more successful than one that has won 4 over a period of 15 years? No.

But Fully, even thought Saints have won more trophies, Leeds beat Saints more, they're leeds' "grand final bitchez". Leeds are the bestest because they dun it back to back to back.

even thought saints have won more trophies through the sl / salary cap era.

We have set unprecedented records. If you wanna start putting fact after stuff hows this?

Leeds have had unprecedented success. fact

because he does what he wants and he's blatantly the most feared man in super league. Mot mate.

It's not a fact that Leeds are the most successful team in sl era though is it?

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At this current time.

Through the "salary cap" era as you started off stating unprecedented success for their record across all competitions.

you wouldnt call beating them in 4 GF's as dominating? Are you for real? four grand finals is pretty massive. Plus we handed them their biggest SL defeat.

PS. Bradford have also won 1 Championship, 3 GFs, 2 CCs and 3 WCC trophies since 1996. Same amount as Leeds. So even they can be classified as being just as successful in terms of successes as Leeds although, naturally, not in the same class when reaching major finals.

Leeds are the most successful team in the SL era. They have unprecedented success. Saints might have more CC's but ask them what they ment after we handed them their s on GF night?

Leeds have won the GF the biggest prize the most. This out ways CC's everyone in the game knows th GF is much more important than the cup fact.

Everyone knows the GF is the biggest prize. Knowbody has won a GF 5 times only Leeds.

Statement 1: Incorrect - you've been disproved on that front already. I'm pretty sure the Challenge Cup is a valued competition. I seemingly remember your lot banging on about how important it would be to win it last season as you hadn't won it in so long.

Leeds have won the GF the most but only because it didn't exist for the first two seasons of SL. In terms of titles, you've both won the same. Therefore, it's a moot point. You are the better side at this current day. Across SL, no. You're only convincing yourself.

Now you're twisting it back to Super League only as I said you would. The sign of a man who has been proved wrong so starts to backtrack. Keep digging. Plus, see above post regarding Grand Finals.

Just admit Leeds have won the GF more than any other team (because they have) and will call it evens with argument twisting.

Well, I can't argue with that because stats say they have (but only because it didn't exist when Saints won the League title back in 1996 and were termed champions). I've admitted that: now will you admit that St Helens are a more successful side across all competitions in total and are the more successful side in the 'salary cap' era as you termed it.

Then we'll call it evens.

No!

In total of trophies yes saints have more. But I question the value of different trophies and records set in the game.

Always making friends eh Fully.

As your season gets worse I expect your bleating and poor socialisation to get progressively worse.

It is/you are funny though!

Childs is an outstanding ref & had a great game. Get a grip for fu cks sake. Why anyone would want to take up officiating with the muppets who follow RL is beyond me.

FWIW there is a difference between "the Super League era" and "the salary cap era", but not enough to erase Leeds' deficit in trophies compared to Sintellins.

(It's also worth noting that sgtwilko is a pretty much perfect example of what the ignore user function is for

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Yawn.

Troll off somewhere else.

If Leeds were rubbish people wouldnt 'hate' us as much as they say they do! Is it any surprise that the 3 most hated sides in SL are Leeds, Saints and Wigan!! the 2 most successful sides in the SL era and the most successful team in British RL!

Teams used to dislike Bradford but now they are rubbish (although they did beat you) people dont care. Warrington are more disliked now than they were 5 years ago because they are winning trophies.

Its quite simple. Fans dislike other successful teams! Fortunately Castleford wont ever have to endure this in the near future!