The only reason administration has been dropped is because Crusaders went in to it. They don't wanna lose them as they really think it will kick off in farm country. Just like it has in London as we can see from attendances.

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Then you just haven't been paying attention. 1 license will be announced in an hour and a half or so for the guaranteed spot for a championship club. Today's unsuccessful clubs will then have their bids assessed alongside the 14 bids from current SL clubs for the 13 remaining spots: 15 clubs bidding for 13 places. The result come July could be anything between one new club in and one out to three new clubs in and three out.


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And if we're going to rehash the 'who's going down' arguments then yes, we are at risk. Along with every other Grade C club. However, those iwth the biggest obvious holes in the bids are clubs warned over ground plans (Wakey and Salford, though Salford seem to have stolen a march and moved out of the danger zone if their current build is likely to be completed by the start of next season), the club that was warned over attendance (Quins) and the two clubs that have gone into administration (Wakey and Crusaders).

All those clubs have serious weaknesses in their bids. The question is whether they'll be fatal weaknesses. Looking from outside with no particular knowledge, I'm quietly confident that the rest of our bid should be enough to see us granted a licence this year. But there's certainly no guarantee. The only clubs that can be sure of getting a licence are those awarded A or B licenses last time.


. And that was before Crusaders. We'll probably never get the clubs to tell us why they voted* for it but I suspect that a) the financial crash of 2008 and subsequent recession and b) the potential looming problems of HMRC's image rights calims would have been more of a consideration than Crusaders' woes.

* or indeed how they voted, either on the administration rule or the decision to keep SL at 14 clubs for 2012-14, knowing that that would mean one of them going down to the championship.

RL isn't played in the stands

HTH

Just a quick question not sure if anyone can answer however......

when the RFL are looking at attendances do they look at the numbers through the gate or the revenue generated by the gate. The reason I ask is that Brian Carney stated on sky that Crusaders had given out 1500 Free Tickets for thier home game and the total attendance was somewhere in the region of 3k (can't remember which game he was refering to ) Therefore does the RFL look at total attendance or paying spectators.

Also on another note people seem to be convinced that Wakey and Cas are in danger however the RFL warned quins last season that they needed to start improving their attendances otherwise this would effect their licence application and their attendances seem to be dropping.

Widnes up. Confirmed that Halifax also meet criteria and will go into the pot alongside the existing SL clubs, so it's 13 from 14 on July 26th.

Congratulations to Widnes but if both Widnes and Halifax met the criteria then I wonder what the deciding factor was for the RFL.
Hard luck Halifax.

The only change was that a team in Admin cant be automatically booted out and that ENTERING Admin wouldnt count against a team in there license application. (so the RFL dont loose there loan) They still have to look at the books for the last 3 years regardless of whats gone on, which will hinder both Wakey and Crusaders I would imagine.

Really?

Youth development by the sounds of it.

Congratulations to Widnes

Although i would have preferred Fax to get the nod ahead of Widnes

Yes. They cant look at one teams books for 3 years and not anothers. E.G. Tigers/Salfords financial records for 3 years, and Wakefields since AG took over last month.

The RFL know this.

I'd quite like to see a Super League with Widnes, Castleford AND Halifax in it but I realise that there is minimal chance that Crusaders or Quins will ever be kicked out and that would be more or less the only way it could happen.

In all reality the RFL may as well have said to the big teams to not bother wasting their time even submitting an application.

The only teams that need to write more than their names on top of a peice of paper are Cas, Salford, Wakey and Halifax. The others wont even get looked at. The decision as to which teams are in and out will have already been made. cas not having a stadium ready and Wakey going bust just makes it even easier to justify that decision.

The only thing that will be looked at is the three year forecasts for profitability - which will be the decider between cas, wakey, and Halifax. the benefit we have here is that we would have started the detailed applications & analysis months ago, Wakey only 4 weeks ago (quoted by AG) and cas will have previous years accounts to back up their numbers and forecasts. Given Wakey went bust and have no guarentee of even being in a new stadium their forecasts will literally be a finger in the air. The company has no concrete basis to base any assumptions which it puts in its application

You've confused me even more. wtf are you talking about?


They will look at the financial history of all applicants over the period since the last franchise round in 2008. They will consider both Wakey's and Crusaders' financial records, which includes the administration events. The administration is no longer an automatic loss of a licence in the next round, but it is still a factor when considering bids. One factor. The ground issue is another one factor. There are many factors taken into account.

add enough of stadia this stadia that we wanna expand to london and wales hang 30 years the fulham,london crusaders,london broncos and now harlequins have been playing and still about 1500 fans with 4 name changes and 30 fans when they come to away grounds. Celtic Crusaders and now the crusaders rl with 50 away fans super league is a joke at the moment and people are gunna walk away from the sport catalan have a good home support but no away do the rfl want 12,000 seats and nobody in them i dont give a f**k where i stand if at hull kr wakefield cas bradford salford these grounds i prefere

rant over

I must admit, i'm in favour of expansion, i'm in favour of growing our game (because we want a better, stronger product in the end) but i'm against it at the cost of established clubs who already offer more. But when people put it like mallcmjlm100 it's pretty tough to argue against their post.

It's p*ss easy, actually.

Go on then old timer.

And for someone i have a lot of respect for please tell all !!

Like Marshman i support expansion but what is p*ss easy in Quins and Cru because at the moment i am at a loss to what is so good in their applications that can be classed as P*ss easy

have a read again



it boils down to: they're not proper teams with proper fans, they don't bring people to our gaff to make up for the shortage of home fans we're attracting.


It is not the job of Quins, Catalans, Crusaders – or for that matter Cas, Leeds, Wigan, Saints or anyone else – fans to subsidise other clubs.

And as someone who travels to Cas from London for every home game and the odd away game, I can tell you it's a pain in the *rse and not cheap.

So I don't actually have much time for people who regard another town within the West Riding as too much of an effort having a go at clubs because their fans don't come to Castleford, or any other not very attractive town, from London and its surrounding counties, or Wales or the south of France in "enough" numbers every week.


So, yeah, I'd say it's p*ss easy to argue against mallcmjlm100's post

I agree with that, but I also agree that expansion at the expense of currently established clubs that are performing in many areas of the criteria amounts to cutting off your nose to spite your face

Orr, Ferres & Milner are delivering the Tigers' application according to Andy Wilson.

The homegrown captain, the England international and the homegrown England Academy captain... nice choice.

Certainly beats Dickie Wright in a hard hat

So would I. I've yet to see it happen though