As my learned friend Disco has pointed out and just to repeat myself .......
I could be wrong here and im sure the polecats will pounce, but if it has to go to a public enquiry, then the secretary of state has to be involved, and rarely does planning permission be given, It may allow for sports purposes the building of a stadium, depending on many factors, but i doubt anything else. [url=http://www.wakefieldccg.co.uk/green-belt.htmlIm sure the Nimby's are banging their drums as we speak[/url, so its not going to be plain sailing. The highways Agency arent happy yet either " [url=http://cominoweb.wakefield.gov.uk/Planning/lg/GFPlanningDocuments.page?org.apache.shale.dialog.DIALOG_NAME=gfplanningsearch&Param=lg.Planning&viewdocs=true&SDescription=10/00225/OUTintresting Reading, If you can be Arsed[/url Especially from Leeds Council in section 5

Oooer the dreaded otters section 8 statutory responses Ecology



Also........
Under the Town and Country Planning Acts there is a presumption in favour of development. However within the Green Belt this situation is reversed and there is a general presumption against inappropriate development. Such development should not be approved, except in very special circumstances.

Inappropriate development is by definition harmful to the Green Belt. Very special circumstances will not exist unless the harm by reason of inappropriateness, and any other harm to the Green Belt, is clearly outweighed by other considerations. This is a tough test and it is for the applicant to show why permission should be granted. Whilst it is for the local planning authority to judge the special circumstances being put forward it would be unreasonable to give weight to a matter which national policy is unlikely to view as a very special circumstance. For example the fact that something can or cannot be seen should not be a determining factor. Planning applications for inappropriate development will, therefore, by their very nature, conflict with the development plan and if the Council wishes to grant permission the proposal must be treated as a departure from the development plan and referred to the Secretary of State.

That will cost a small fortune, believe me, and i has to be bourne by the developer in the first instance, they may get recompensed if the enquirery is sucessful, but its not always that way, Ive been involved pesonally with one of these and it is a long drawn out issue,

I'm sorry but they cannot see the wood for the trees! (of which there are many on the Greenbelt Land in question)
They just don't get it!

^^ Wot Speedy said.

Also also...

Of the two clubs, Cas seem to have all the cards given that they could survive at the ground they currently own (albeit in the lower leagues), while Wakey are genuinely screwed if they've nowhere to play out of, nowhere to call home, nowhere to go. Remember that Belle Vue is already sold pending the Wildcats relocating and the proceeds have, in part at least, already been spent.

Also also also...

I neglected to mention that the Newmarket planning application's estimates in respect to the creation of local jobs by the development has also been questioned by LCC.

Also also also also...

It's worth bearing in mind that Wakey have a fair bit of form when it comes to getting into Super League on the back of bulls**t promises. Oakwell and Thornes Park spring immediately to mind.

So, while in an ideal world I'd like both to thrive - on balance, which club would you say is more desperate to see a groundshare happen?

Can't believe you've quoted the Thornes park debacle when that was your beloved Box stringing us along again. The sad thing about all of this is if the franchise system was weighted so that things to do with the sport side carried more value - neither clubd would have much to worry about

Oh come on... Thornes Park was a superb ruse. Well done...



And my box is neither here nor there!

If you check the timeline you'll discover that what actually happened was WMDC delayed (for some ambiguous reason) releasing the outcome of the feasibility study until after the Super League franchises had been granted. You may wish to interpret events as some kind of Box led conspiracy, but from the outside any fule can see that the council (who knew what the conclusions of the report were) deliberately held back publication in order to maximise, not minimise, Wakey's chances of retaining their Super League status. I understand it's hard for Wakey fans to swallow, but if Councillor Box had any influence at all then it must surely have been, with hindsight, more likely exercised in helping Wakey rather than hindering them.

Sorry if that explodes your conspiracy theory, but the bottom line is there are plenty of Cas fans - Box included, seemingly - who really don't want Wakey to go to the wall.

It doesn't alter my view one iota. He held back on announcing it, cos after it was his cock up in the first place he did not want to be directly associated with costing us our SL place and it was the least he could do

[url=http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/tigers/Rivals-Wakefield-Wildcats-and-Castleford.6423567.jpHere's a piece in the YEP[/url



If that's what this is based on, I'd be stunned if they didn't go for Glasshoughton. It's the jewel in the WMDC crown, and a premium sporting facility would only make it better

They wouldn't want to upset Wakey though.

I can see them going to Newmarket in fairness.

They're going to have to upset someone. They have to make a sensible decision based on the facts at hand. More money will be brought into the district from a Glasshoughton development. More new fans would be attracted to teams playing at a Glasshoughton development. Newmarket is an option to keep a club afloat, Glasshoughton is an option to help the region thrive.

Perhaps I've got rose-tinted specs on, but I just don't see the appeal of Newmarket to anyone but the few thousand Wakefield fans trying to save their club. Glasshoughton can be a focal point for the entire district - a stadium in a heart of a cultural and economical goldmine, rather than a stadium in the middle of a soulless industrial estate.

Top notch post. The council would be foolish indeed not to see the potential in a Stadium at Glasshoughton, what an absolute gem for the entire district this would be

Cas statement: www.castigers.com/article.php?id=914

Cas statement: www.castigers.com/article.php?id=914

It says a lot about the RFL, when they put so much pressure on a memeber club during a recession that they could force them in going to the wall. A club with a lot of history. The RFL are only interested in looking after tnemselves!

Reading the statement from Cas, and i know it's been tough times recently for all, but i can't help but be annoyed that both clubs have dragged their feet so much and made it so that we're both in a position where a shared stadium is possibly our only option. Lots of deadlines are coming up and it's a shame both clubs just didn't have some super dooper business thinking person in charge to get the stadiums built instead of hoping that someone throws money/land/both at them. I don't doubt both clubs have worked hard to get the stadiums sorted and i hate to be too harsh on the individuals concerned, but ffs we should have been chucking up bricks now.

Totally agree.

Interesting timing of this announcement given the 2 sides play this weekend.

The more I hear on the matter, the more I am convinced we have all been subject to a smoke and mirrors show. The way things stand (as I interpret) one club will be going to the wall come the next round of franchises and as much as I love playing Wakey and the banter with fans, I would rather it be us that survived. Neither clubs fans would be willing, imo, to travel to a shared stadium in either of the locations and this is increasingly looking like the final chapter in this sorry saga.

The BoD's of both clubs should hang their heads in shame because their false promises will lead to the expulsion/demise? of one strong SL club.

Also, i can't decide which venue is best for either/both clubs. Obviously as a Cas fan i want it to be at Glasshoughton or even better that we both get our own stadiums. But if we do get two stadiums at the current locations it makes me think that we may as well have a joint stadium since they are so close. Newmarket kind of looks better suited to a halfway between point for both clubs, but Glasshoughton just looks the better location for sponsorship and the rest.

Do Wakey fans look at the Newmarket location and see this as being "the perfect spot and it's where our ground should always have been" for your own ground or "the only option we have for our own ground"?

On the other hand, it could work in the opposite direction and a lot of neutrals will go down and watch the other games. I know if WTRLFC were at home, theoretically in Glasshoughton, I'd go down and watch them play as I'm a rugby league fan.

However, that's only if it was at Glasshoughton. If it was at Newmarket, who's going to pay Waystone/Cas back for the costs they've already incurred?

There is one logical solution for me - and like many others - that is Glasshoughton.

Its down to the new governmets cuts, the council can now no longer keep their promise. I will never understand why any working class man would vote for them pillocks!
The two clubs need to get this sorted and quick, Cas are at a more advanced stage than Wakefield there is no argument there (If you are sane). Time is of the essence, which leaves only one conclusion!

=#0080FFYou know, I'd never thought of this until you mentioned it but if Wakey were playing at Glasshoughton and Cas weren't playing elsewhere I'd probably go see a few of their games too as it's only down the road.

If a shared ground is at Glasshoughton, whenever Cas are away i too would go watch Cas away.

Exactly. Wakefield could probably benefit more from having a Cas fanbase on their doorstep. Not only could it improve marketing in our area but they would get us going through the gates for their attendances. Not only that, the additional revenue could benefit both sides probably.

Are you suprised by that, its what they do best



I'm sane ish

not wanting to turn over the same story but i keep being told you don't have the funds and without Wakey agreeing to join you, you won't be able to build (at this present time) and times running out for us both.

I just don't know anymore i really don't, its all very sad.