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| From the club's statement: our case is we knew it was happening, we knew it was unacceptable, and we took relevant and reasonable steps.
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| I think some people cannot grasp what the real problem is. It doesn't matter whether or not G.T. heard any abusive chanting, the fact is many people in the crowd did hear it and quite probably some of those people were gay and more than likely they would be offended by the remarks.
We have moved on from the years gone by. In the 21st Century, homophobic abuse is classed as a "Hate Crime", anyone who heard the abuse and said or did nothing about is complicit in the whole sad episode.
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| Quote ="Brasshat"I think some people cannot grasp what the real problem is. It doesn't matter whether or not G.T. heard any abusive chanting, the fact is many people in the crowd did hear it and quite probably some of those people were gay and more than likely they would be offended by the remarks.
We have moved on from the years gone by. In the 21st Century, homophobic abuse is classed as a "Hate Crime", anyone who heard the abuse and said or did nothing about is complicit in the whole sad episode.'"
Yeah if you define 20-30 people as "many". I wouldn't though.
Plus, what about the 5000 or so who had no idea of the chants until after the game (ref included). Are they complicit with this whole sad episode too?
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| Quote ="Towns88"Yeah if you define 20-30 people as "many". I wouldn't though.
Plus, what about the 5000 or so who had no idea of the chants until after the game (ref included). Are they complicit with this whole sad episode too?'"
So, you think that only 20-30 people heard something?
As to your second sentence, read my post again.
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| Quote ="Brasshat"So, you think that only 20-30 people heard something?
As to your second sentence, read my post again.'"
There were 20-30 involved with the chanting, but Cas were attacking the railway end in the 2nd half, thus the majority of home fans (myself included) were stood at the railway end, leaving very few in the Wheldon End (where the chants were from). But you'd know that as I'm sure you were at the game, yeah?
I think it's harsh to blame fans who may of heard it, what would you like them to do? Personally, I'd of merely just shouted "shut up" in no uncertain terms & carried on watching what I'd paid to watch.
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| I heard every word, i just looked at my daughter and shook my head, that was for the first chant. I did nothing else apart from watch the game. Does that make me as bad as the chanters i dont think so.
The second chant was more light hearted, i just smiled to myself when i heard it.
I continued to watch the game and forget totaly about the 2 chants, they ment nothing to me it was just banter as far as i was concerned.
I didn't realise it was illegal to say such things, maybe i'm naive......can someone tell me is it such an offence people can go to prison for it.
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| Slightly O/T but 6 mins into tonights Leeds - Saints game you can hear the Leeds fans singing about a certain ginger saints player. I wonder if they will be recieving a 40k fine....
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| Quote ="Double Dutch"Slightly O/T but 6 mins into tonights Leeds - Saints game you can hear the Leeds fans singing about a certain ginger saints player. I wonder if they will be recieving a 40k fine....
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Yep heard it...your just a fat ginger bastar@.
Nice bit of evidence for the cas BOD to use.
We'll see.
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| Quote ="poppys mum"Yep heard it...your just a fat ginger bastar@.
Nice bit of evidence for the cas BOD to use.
We'll see.'"
lol if you think the two chants are similar in law you really do need help in understanding the ongoing situation.
Ignorance is not much of a defence,but as you say we will see.
Perhaps the club all the way up from fan to board thinks the same?Hence the problemo.
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| Quote ="PAC"lol if you think the two chants are similar in law you really do need help in understanding the ongoing situation.
Ignorance is not much of a defence,but as you say we will see.
Perhaps the club all the way up from fan to board thinks the same?Hence the problemo.'"
=#8040FFIf you actually put your brain in gear and read what the fine was for, it was for FAILING TO STOP THE CHANTS, just like Leeds did today, they didn't stop the chanting, therefore in the same boat.
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| What were the chants that lead to this dour fine, "We can see you holding hands" & what else? If it was "Gt takes it up the bum", is that homophobia?
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| Quote ="Towns88"What were the chants that lead to this dour fine, "We can see you holding hands" & what else? If it was "Gt takes it up the bum", is that homophobia?'"
=#8000FFA light hearted bit of banter, and a fact (unless he's a top, but that's his private life).
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8040FFIf you actually put your brain in gear and read what the fine was for, it was for FAILING TO STOP THE CHANTS, just like Leeds did today, they didn't stop the chanting, therefore in the same boat.'"
Castleford were found guilty of unacceptable behaviour, of breaching the RFL’s Respect Policy, of misconduct by their supporters and of conduct prejudicial to the interests of the sport.
The tribunal was chaired by his Honour Judge Rodney Grant who criticised the club for failing to take steps to stop the homophobic chanting.
Sorry gaslight,you need to turn the gas up so you can see better,not chanting,homophobic chanting, a bit of a difference fella but as you said RW has a list of the ones that did it,lets see if his hand has been forced.Just a shame that it takes a huge fine for Cas to do such a simples thing of banning a few idiots.
I thinks you may be clutching at straws or trying to get the attention away from Cas.
Lets all email the rfl and complain eh?
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| Quote ="PAC"I thinks you may be clutching at straws or trying to get the attention away from Cas.'"
=#8000FFWrong, we want equal punishments for everyone, or else the RFL will get laughed out of court at the appeal, and would be open to be sued by Cas if they don't take appropriate action against Leeds for their failure to stop abuse aimed at an opposition player (in the respect policy) and abuse aimed at the referee (again, in the respect policy).
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFA light hearted bit of banter, and a fact (unless he's a top, but that's his private life).'"
Every relationship should be based on a bit of give and take.
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| PAC has got to be on here for the wind up. Otherwise the RFL respect policy would simply say.....'shout or chant whatever you want as long as you don't mention their sexuality.' As we all know....it actually says much more than that. The end!
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFWrong, we want equal punishments for everyone, or else the RFL will get laughed out of court at the appeal, and would be open to be sued by Cas if they don't take appropriate action against Leeds for their failure to stop abuse aimed at an opposition player (in the respect policy) and abuse aimed at the referee (again, in the respect policy).
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I'd bet that the last thing your club needs right now is a confrontation with the RFL, so i'd seriously urge Cas to re-consider their actions more carefully and to actually be seen to actually do something about the problem
Why not make a stand as a club and ban these homophobic morons from your ground once and for all?
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| I'm guessing you are an official within the RFL then The Chin's Back, since you have failed to see what the cas club have been doing BEFORE, during and after the incident. Take the time to go to the Tigers website and read the reasons why the Cas club feels hard done by with the severity of the fine. The RFL have given the reason that the Cas club failed to act upon the chants when according to the version Cas have written in their statement, i can't see much else they could have done apart from randomly throw a handgrenade in the direction of the chanting. After the Catalans incident last year, the club stepped up their efforts and then this incident gets them an astonishing £40k fine even though the Cas club feel they are doing, and did all they could.
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| Quote ="marshman"I'm guessing you are an official within the RFL then The Chin's Back, since you have failed to see what the cas club have been doing BEFORE, during and after the incident. Take the time to go to the Tigers website and read the reasons why the Cas club feels hard done by with the severity of the fine. The RFL have given the reason that the Cas club failed to act upon the chants when according to the version Cas have written in their statement, i can't see much else they could have done apart from randomly throw a handgrenade in the direction of the chanting. After the Catalans incident last year, the club stepped up their efforts and then this incident gets them an astonishing £40k fine even though the Cas club feel they are doing, and did all they could.'"
Has the club found out who these morons are yet?
Surely someone stood nearby knows who they all are,and should report them to the club so that they can receive lifetime bans.
Do the club have any CCTV cameras inside the ground?
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| Quote ="The Chin's Back"Has the club found out who these morons are yet?'"
=#8000FF3 got banned today so what do you think?
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| Quote ="The Chin's Back"Has the club found out who these morons are yet?
Surely someone stood nearby knows who they all are,and should report them to the club so that they can receive lifetime bans.
Do the club have any CCTV cameras inside the ground?'"
we are struggling, but whilst were on with it any idea's who your morons were when this happened ?
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FF3 got banned today so what do you think?'"
pray tell ?
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FF3 got banned today so what do you think?'"
A very positive step forwards for the club
I hope you also find out who all those other morons were too,and ban them
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| Quote ="Speedy"pray tell ?'"
I have ther names on my mobile...a txt sent to me during the game.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FF3 got banned today so what do you think?'"
Good news. We dont want these idiots in our ground or at any RL ground.
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