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Nor mine.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"have no idea where they are RE PLANNING as all the comments made by both clubs and are pretty cryptic.
You cannot hide behind the money from the council arguement as both the grounds to some extent will rely on some public money whether that is related to infrastructure, sharing joint facilities or advance payments for feasability studies.
Neither club has the £10 to £20m ready cash to invest. they are relying on Private capital ( not much around and no one will invest whilst there are uncertainties about the economy whether that is in houses or hotels or leisure facilities). Even if a private investor came forward how long would it take to pay the money back.
Anyway that is all i am going to post on it but IMHO a ground share is the only way to go now. 3 years ago the situation was different but not at the minute and will be unlikely for the next 3 years.'"
=#8000FFCas have done a feasibility study, so no need for the council there
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There you go.
I hope you enjoyed my first blog a month ago. It seems to have created a good deal of interest and I hope that will continue.
The first thing I would like to say is that I share the frustrations of the fans. The team has been performing well in patches but not for the full eighty minutes. Our coaching staff and players are working very hard to turn things around.
We are also doing it tough with injuries at present, some of which are long term and difficult to legislate for. An example of this is that five of the starting seventeen who won at Headingley only a few weeks ago was out of action for Monday’s game. If you look at any other club in Super League and take away the same n umber of first choice players from their line-ups, they would expect to experience a dip in form.
Our fans have been a real strength of the Club for many years and clearly we need, and hope, that remains the case. By all means make your feelings known, I respect your right to do that, but I would urge you to stick with us as we work through this difficult time.
Rest assured, we are all focused on improving things.
Stadium
Turning to the stadium, the next big meeting has been set for later this month. This features Castleford Tigers, Wakefield Metropolitan District Council and the developers Waystone PLC. In the meantime, everyone has been working very hard to meet the action points from the last meeting.
Currently, one of the main priorities is to finalise the agreement with Waystone on the stadium construction contract and then to agree the architect’s appointment. We have made good progress and once the agreement is signed it will have a significant impact and help drive the project forward to the next stage of development.
Also, we are working on the mechanism to transfer the Wakefield Council land assets into the project that they have donated to the scheme. We need to be able to unlock the value of this land in time for the start of construction of the new stadium.
As you drive past the stadium site, you may notice how vastly different the landscape looks from a year ago. The bulk of the earthwork is almost complete with the next stage du e to commence when the detailed stadium designs are available and the contours of the stadium are determined.
We have more work to do before the next meeting and everyone involved is totally committed to dealing with the issues we each had to address.
Super League License
The RFL are currently finalising the Super League Licensing application process for 2012 – 2014, after which time we will be busy compiling our submission.
Initial indications are that all submissions will need to be made by the end of January 2011, although we await final confirmation of the timetable from the RFL.
A considerable amount of work is being done behind the scenes to prepare for this process, which again will focus very much on our off the field activities and business case. I will be able to say more in the forthcoming months once the RFL announce the criteria and process.
As was the case with the last licensing criteria, attendances will be very important. It is seen as critical criteria by the RFL.
At the moment, our average attendances are healthy. However, there is no doubting the benefits to the Club if we can increase it further by approximately one thousand supporters. If you can help in any way it will be highly appreciated.
As I have said above, I strongly urge all the fans to continue with their fantastic support throughout the rest of the season and demonstrate an upward trend in the run-up to submitting our license application for 2012.
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Fans Focus Group
The Club highly values the supporter’s feedback. We want to take this opportunity to engage with you in an open forum to debate the current issues expressed at the weekend.
The Group will involve the Board of Directors and will take place next week. If you are interested in taking part, please email info@castigers.com
Title your email Fans Focus Group and include your contact details.
All the best,
Richard. |
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There you go.
I hope you enjoyed my first blog a month ago. It seems to have created a good deal of interest and I hope that will continue.
The first thing I would like to say is that I share the frustrations of the fans. The team has been performing well in patches but not for the full eighty minutes. Our coaching staff and players are working very hard to turn things around.
We are also doing it tough with injuries at present, some of which are long term and difficult to legislate for. An example of this is that five of the starting seventeen who won at Headingley only a few weeks ago was out of action for Monday’s game. If you look at any other club in Super League and take away the same n umber of first choice players from their line-ups, they would expect to experience a dip in form.
Our fans have been a real strength of the Club for many years and clearly we need, and hope, that remains the case. By all means make your feelings known, I respect your right to do that, but I would urge you to stick with us as we work through this difficult time.
Rest assured, we are all focused on improving things.
Stadium
Turning to the stadium, the next big meeting has been set for later this month. This features Castleford Tigers, Wakefield Metropolitan District Council and the developers Waystone PLC. In the meantime, everyone has been working very hard to meet the action points from the last meeting.
Currently, one of the main priorities is to finalise the agreement with Waystone on the stadium construction contract and then to agree the architect’s appointment. We have made good progress and once the agreement is signed it will have a significant impact and help drive the project forward to the next stage of development.
Also, we are working on the mechanism to transfer the Wakefield Council land assets into the project that they have donated to the scheme. We need to be able to unlock the value of this land in time for the start of construction of the new stadium.
As you drive past the stadium site, you may notice how vastly different the landscape looks from a year ago. The bulk of the earthwork is almost complete with the next stage du e to commence when the detailed stadium designs are available and the contours of the stadium are determined.
We have more work to do before the next meeting and everyone involved is totally committed to dealing with the issues we each had to address.
Super League License
The RFL are currently finalising the Super League Licensing application process for 2012 – 2014, after which time we will be busy compiling our submission.
Initial indications are that all submissions will need to be made by the end of January 2011, although we await final confirmation of the timetable from the RFL.
A considerable amount of work is being done behind the scenes to prepare for this process, which again will focus very much on our off the field activities and business case. I will be able to say more in the forthcoming months once the RFL announce the criteria and process.
As was the case with the last licensing criteria, attendances will be very important. It is seen as critical criteria by the RFL.
At the moment, our average attendances are healthy. However, there is no doubting the benefits to the Club if we can increase it further by approximately one thousand supporters. If you can help in any way it will be highly appreciated.
As I have said above, I strongly urge all the fans to continue with their fantastic support throughout the rest of the season and demonstrate an upward trend in the run-up to submitting our license application for 2012.
< p>
Fans Focus Group
The Club highly values the supporter’s feedback. We want to take this opportunity to engage with you in an open forum to debate the current issues expressed at the weekend.
The Group will involve the Board of Directors and will take place next week. If you are interested in taking part, please email info@castigers.com
Title your email Fans Focus Group and include your contact details.
All the best,
Richard. | |
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| Quote ="tigerman10"welldone wakey fans, another ground thread derailed
,just as well our mods dont take things as seriously as yours eh.'"
Have you noticed that everytime there's a concern about Newmarket - i.e. the latest YEP article - or someone opposing them, they keep spouting on about us moving to J30. I think they ACTUALLY want us to move to try and increase their chances of PP getting given. |
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In all seriousness why dont wakey and cas both just cut the crap and stop chasing pipedreams of a ground. The best way forward for all parties would be a joint venture 14k ground for both clubs to groundshare.
As ive even said before, you could even split the ground to have two cas stands and two wakey stands to give it a novelty feel. Both sell season tickets and tickets in your home stands, and one of the other stands could serve on a normal match day for away fans, leaving one closed which would be more than enough for all league games bar the derby.
Then come derby day twice a year open up the whole ground with cas on one side and wakey on the other.
Its realistically the only way its ever going to happen and could add a bit of a novelty factor to the ground.
Otherwise both clubs will be left playing in the holes of grounds you have now and playing NL rugby in 5 years time.
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| Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"Maybe if you and wakey fans stopped banging your heads against that brick wall youve just put up and pool your resources you might both have a chance of a new ground and a super league licence in 5 years. As it stands your destined for the national league and will still be playing at belle view and wheldon road in 2025!!
A shared ground makes perfect sense and is the only realistic way your ever both going to get the funds to build a new ground
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=#8040FFHow does it make "perfect sense" to do the following:
Abandon one of two sites that have had a lot of money pumped into them
Abandon one of two sites that have planning permission for a stadium
Tell one set of two architects that the contract they have is now void
Tell both sets of fans that they're moving out of the clubs own town
Tell current backers & sponsors that all the money they've put into one stadium is no longer needed and they've wasted it
It is not viable AT ALL, especially with Cas being a few months from building and Wakey 4-5 months behind that. |
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| Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"In all seriousness why dont wakey and cas both just cut the crap and stop chasing pipedreams of a ground. The best way forward for all parties would be a joint venture 14k ground for both clubs to groundshare.
As ive even said before, you could even split the ground to have two cas stands and two wakey stands to give it a novelty feel. Both sell season tickets and tickets in your home stands, and one of the other stands could serve on a normal match day for away fans, leaving one closed which would be more than enough for all league games bar the derby.
Then come derby day twice a year open up the whole ground with cas on one side and wakey on the other.
Its realistically the only way its ever going to happen and could add a bit of a novelty factor to the ground.
Otherwise both clubs will be left playing in the holes of grounds you have now and playing NL rugby in 5 years time.'"
if we could overcome some off the bigotry that may just work sir |
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"In all seriousness why dont wakey and cas both just cut the crap and stop chasing pipedreams of a ground. The best way forward for all parties would be a joint venture 14k ground for both clubs to groundshare.
As ive even said before, you could even split the ground to have two cas stands and two wakey stands to give it a novelty feel. Both sell season tickets and tickets in your home stands, and one of the other stands could serve on a normal match day for away fans, leaving one closed which would be more than enough for all league games bar the derby.
Then come derby day twice a year open up the whole ground with cas on one side and wakey on the other.
Its realistically the only way its ever going to happen and could add a bit of a novelty factor to the ground.
Otherwise both clubs will be left playing in the holes of grounds you have now and playing NL rugby in 5 years time.'" '"
OK, lets see, how do we make this clear to you..................................................................................
I've got it!! Why not pop along Atherton Rd, at the end of which you'll find signs for a place called Leigh.....cracking little town in your own borough with its own stadium, probably around 3-4 miles from the shared ground you have access to at present, then go and share a ground with them.................
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| The other mods and I hate the school holidays. "But we're all adults" I hear you cry. Start bloody acting like it then.  |
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| Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"In all seriousness why dont wakey and cas both just cut the crap and stop chasing pipedreams of a ground. The best way forward for all parties would be a joint venture 14k ground for both clubs to groundshare.
As ive even said before, you could even split the ground to have two cas stands and two wakey stands to give it a novelty feel. Both sell season tickets and tickets in your home stands, and one of the other stands could serve on a normal match day for away fans, leaving one closed which would be more than enough for all league games bar the derby.
Then come derby day twice a year open up the whole ground with cas on one side and wakey on the other.
Its realistically the only way its ever going to happen and could add a bit of a novelty factor to the ground.
Otherwise both clubs will be left playing in the holes of grounds you have now and playing NL rugby in 5 years time.'"
Its makes perfect sense if you know nothing about the situation. |
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I like to think that I pay attention to the whole stadium story but at this point with all of the speculation, blogs and nay saying from other fans I have to admit that I have lost track of just what the actual facts are and I and others I know would feel a lot more secure in our future with just a few answers.
1:Where is the main bulk of the funding for the stadium comming from? (I know it isnt the council or just from the land sale)
2:Have we (The club) asked the RFL what would happen to our franchise in the case of a serious delay to the project even if it was ongoing?
3:What is the delay with the architects?
4:Are there any realistic timescales for the begining and completion of the stadium from all parties concerned?
5:Is there a plan B i.e the Keepmoat or sharing with them over there?
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| Quote ="bigmclargehuge"I like to think that I pay attention to the whole stadium story but at this point with all of the speculation, blogs and nay saying from other fans I have to admit that I have lost track of just what the actual facts are and I and others I know would feel a lot more secure in our future with just a few answers.
1:Where is the main bulk of the funding for the stadium comming from? (I know it isnt the council or just from the land sale)
2:Have we (The club) asked the RFL what would happen to our franchise in the case of a serious delay to the project even if it was ongoing?
3:What is the delay with the architects?
4:Are there any realistic timescales for the begining and completion of the stadium from all parties concerned?
5:Is there a plan B i.e the Keepmoat or sharing with them over there?'"
My understanding is...
1) I think the official line is "Um, er, um..". Between the lines it seems to be that the club have SOME of the money (maybe even MOST?) already in place, enough to kick of a 'staged' build at least. It's not much of a leap to conclude that the a*se falling out of the property market has put a serious dent in the saleable value of certain assets the club were relying on to sell. The upshot is there's almost certainly some undisclosed shortfall which means a reduced pot. That means staging the Glasshoughton build, such as building something with 2 or maybe 3 sides at first. Of course that would mean a reduced capacity, below the magic 12,000 number required. Whether the RFL would accept such an outcome is the $64M question... but I fear they probably wouldn't.
2) The club claims to be appraising the RFL of the build situation on an ongoing basis. Nothing concrete about what the RFL are feeding back has ever been forthcoming (apart from the 'warning' Cas and four other clubs received about their franchise promises). My feeling? ... it doesn't look good.
3) I don't think there is a particularly huge delay with the architects, though perhaps the changes outlined in '1' had not originally been part of the submission remit given to the 'final four'? If that's the case I'd expect they've been told to review their designs with a view to possibly building what they've come up with in stages. Just a guess on my part, but if I'm right then such a consideration would be vital.
4) Well the only realistic timescale I suppose is the last thing RW said: "It's achievable to play there in 2012 but, if the economy continues as it is, it may take a little longer and we would have to look at contingency plans". He said it [url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/10/01/19/RUGBYL_Castleford_Nightlead.htmlHERE[/url, apparently.
5) Apparently Cas DO have a Plan 'B' (in fact the RFL made note of it when the first Franchise app's went in) but nobody's too sure what it is. The assumption seems to be something along the lines of "tart up Wheldon Road".
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| Thanks for that Disco sir.
It really is a long drawn out slog this stadium buissness and I just wish it was done and dusted already!
Hey ho I suppose all this waiting will make it all the sweeter when/if we get in there along with all the benefits and opportunities that it brings although I will be sad to leave the old place and all those memories behind but this too big an opportunity to miss out on with the prime location that could send us to the next level that we all dream of.
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| Quote ="Dettoriman"=#00FF40It will be a ground share, You can put money on that'"
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I've got it!! Why not pop along Atherton Rd, at the end of which you'll find signs for a place called Leigh.....cracking little town in your own borough with its own stadium, probably around 3-4 miles from the shared ground you have access to at present, then go and share a ground with them.................
......what? Never!! Not a chance in hell!! I hear you say........you really would not like it at all would you?
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1. Its not in wigan and therefore not like having a joint ground in normanton or somewhere between the two
2. Its no where near big enough, we could only accomodate Season ticket holders
3. Its is more like 7-8 miles from wigan rather than three you suggest
4. both clubs have grounds which are up to SL standard, rather than both chasing pipedreams of grounds that will never happen unless they pool resources |
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8040FFHow does it make "perfect sense" to do the following:
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Tell one set of two architects that the contract they have is now void
Tell both sets of fans that they're moving out of the clubs own town
Tell current backers & sponsors that all the money they've put into one stadium is no longer needed and they've wasted it
=#FF0000It is not viable AT ALL, especially with Cas being a few months from building and Wakey 4-5 months behind that.'"
Has all of that REALLY happened or is it just lifted from the BS placed in both clubs SL applications.
Lets be honest, neither club has even released proper architectural drawings of the ground your that far off!!! Cartoon drawings by some student doing a BTEC at Cas college dont count...but the RFL do usually accept this in SL applications so as long as that continues you should be reet! |
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| Quote ="andyed-wiganrl"Has all of that REALLY happened or is it just lifted from the BS placed in both clubs SL applications.
Lets be honest, neither club has even released proper architectural drawings of the ground your that far off!!! Cartoon drawings by some student doing a BTEC at Cas college dont count...but the RFL do usually accept this in SL applications so as long as that continues you should be reet!'"
=#8000FFWell if you're so all knowing
 you'd have read the blog a page or 2 back and realised that Cas are finalising details with an architect, and go onto Wakey's forum and see they already have one. |
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you'd have read the blog a page or 2 back and realised that Cas are finalising details with an architect, and go onto Wakey's forum and see they already have one.
